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This should have been dealt with when they were 17 or whatever the fuck. But I guess that's easier said than done.


That's an important point, too. I mean, if someone's life can be destroyed by unprovable allegations about how he tried to get sex when he was 17, then the future and livelihood of every 17 year old boy is in serious danger. And, hell, not a single one of us is out of the woods either.


agreed. and this is a critical point that shouldn't be overlooked or forgotten.


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Everyone loves a good distraction. Another $3.8tn added to the national debt thanks to more tax cuts. Trillion, yes. http://fortune.com/2018/09/28/house-3-8 ... ut-passes/

But Obamacare just wasn't sustainable. But there's hope.

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Despite the House vote, it is unlikely the Senate will take up the legislation. The first round of tax cuts landed with a thud, with even a leaked Republican National Committee poll—reported on by Bloomberg News—showing American voters thought it benefited “large corporations and rich Americans” by an overall 2-to-1 margin and the same margin among independent voters.



And, more on the tariff war from Bloomberg and how American consumers are paying the price. MAGA... hahahaha

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -s-tariffs

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So if you're in a de facto same sex relationship as a diplomat in the US, you have to get married by the end of the year or leave the country. US to deny visas to any same sex couples not in a married relationship. In many of the countries these people are from, same sex marriage would have them thrown in jail or worse. Classy.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/us-visas-de ... -diplomats

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Heterosexual couples must now be married to obtain the G-4 visa. Applying the same standard to same-sex couples will "help ensure and promote equal treatment", a US State Department spokesperson said.


Because heterosexual couples around the world face the same persecution as homosexual couples, right?

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It sounds like the US wants to enforce the same, equal visa rules for everybody whether they are gay or straight, by closing the loophole where gay Westerners could get visas for their gay lovers from other countries, but heterosexual lovers didn't have the same luxury. They are absolutely right to do this - laws should apply equally to all!

It's not the USA's fault that so many other countries still view homosexuality as a crime (especially Muslim-majority ones). Cannot blame the USA one bit for that, actually.

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#equality.

Unless you're a straight white male.


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Authorities have intercepted nvelopes of white powder, possibly containing ricin, to the Pentagon, White House, and Ted Cruz's office.

Never a dull moment in the USA.

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Authorities have intercepted nvelopes of white powder, possibly containing ricin, to the Pentagon, White House, and Ted Cruz's office.

Never a dull moment in the USA.


And a navy officer has been arrested :lol: :lol:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-06/u ... p/10345522

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William Clyde Allen III, a Utah native, told investigators he wanted the letters to "send a message", though he did not elaborate, FBI investigators said in documents filed in the US District Court of Utah.

Authorities zeroed in on the 39-year-old after finding his return address on at least two of the envelopes, according to the complaint.


Only the best and brightest are allowed into the armed forces in America it seems.

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About fucking time this happened.

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Jason Van Dyke, 40, was the first Chicago officer to be charged with murder for an on-duty shooting in about 50 years.


Convicted for 2nd degree murder and 16 counts of aggravated battery for every bullet he shot.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-06/j ... d/10346276

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432 homicides in Chicago so far this year. Quite a place. Between the killing and the taxes, no wonder they struggle to keep police officers and the state is losing population at a greater rate than any in the country. Quite a place. I guess that's what 60 years of the same leadership gets you...

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About fucking time this happened.

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Jason Van Dyke, 40, was the first Chicago officer to be charged with murder for an on-duty shooting in about 50 years.


Convicted for 2nd degree murder and 16 counts of aggravated battery for every bullet he shot.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-06/j ... d/10346276


The police were pointing a gun at him and he didn't stop and follow orders. Looks like they kicked something away from him when he was laying on the ground too.

I'm sure there were other cops in other situations that could have been charged rather than this guy.


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I'm visiting Matt this weekend here at UNLV and Matt is a big John Oliver fan. I actually like the guy too. I think he is here to open up people's minds.

We just watched the Kavanaugh episode.

I'm not too sure that this guy should represent 1 of the 9 most honorable people that the US has to offer.

The video snippets of Kavanaugh were eye opening to me.

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The way he broke down and blubbered up during that interview is reason enough for me to think that Kavanaugh isn't cut out for the gig. If you can't hold it together during an interview, I don't think you have the tools to make rational decisions without being overly emotional. Put your big-boy pants on and answer the questions like a goddamn adult.

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Yes. There was one question where he refused to answer it. He just sat there I dead silence. I was stunned.

That is NOT Supreme Court Judge material. He should be begging for a polygraph test to be innocent. I can only assume he is guilty.

He is shady at best.

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I don't know what to think in regards to his guilt. His inability to handle scrutiny would be my deal breaker.

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He reminds me of so many High School, rich, drunk jocks that preyed upon underclass girls. It was sad to see underclass girls thought they needed to fuck upperclass boys for popularity.
As a rule my crew annihilated all their girlfriends, without fear of sancho violation.

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The left's passion for passing judgement without proof is comical. Joe McCarthy would be proud of them. Of course, they weren't too concerned when Hilary pooh-poohed her role in protecting Bill while she was running of president. They are the epitome of hypocrisy.

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Steaming pile of horseshit.

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I think that people should just stop appointing celebrities to political office.


Well, we need to go somewhere, because the actual political people are failing this country miserably.



Thing is: The "actual political people" are really just full-time fundraisers. If you've heard of them at all, it's because someone with deep pockets was backing them - not because they have the best judgement or intellect. Elected officials are just the ones making the sales pitch for much larger groups that the public has no control over. Whatever skills or judgement they have goes mostly to one thing: pleasing big [special interest] donors. This is because the system is corrupt, and the massive funds needed to campaign guarantee that any elected politician is either "for rent" or was an agent of certain special interests all along.


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The land of the not so free after all, home of the brave go to jail. https://www.thenation.com/article/photo ... -protests/

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An hour after police evicted the last demonstrators from Oceti Sakowin, North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum signed four measures increasing punishments for demonstrators. Among other things, the new laws expanded the definition of criminal trespass, and raised the penalty for a riot conviction. Though the measures were clearly in response to Standing Rock, they also reflected a much broader conservative backlash to direct action—a backlash that resulted in a wave of legislation introduced in states across the United States. Overall, according to the International Center for Not-for-Profit Law, lawmakers in 30 states have introduced 56 bills to restrict public protest since Trump’s election.



There's the Republicans' "right of free speech" in a nutshell.

Free to spend billions of dollars per yer to openly tell lies about climate change and oil industry pollution. But if you dare tell the truth about it, even when your own survival is at stake: PRISON.

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There's the Republicans' "right of free speech" in a nutshell.

Free to spend billions of dollars per yer to openly tell lies about climate change and oil industry pollution. But if you dare tell the truth about it, even when your own survival is at stake: PRISON.

:puke:


I made this comment somewhere else this weekend too. Conservatives love to talk big about free speech, as long as it's speech they agree with. If not, they crush you with bullshit to try and shut you up.

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https://theintercept.com/2018/09/21/michael-moores-fahrenheit-119-aims-not-at-trump-but-at-those-who-created-the-conditions-that-led-to-his-rise/


Well, in regards to this:

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The single most significant defect in U.S. political discourse is the monomaniacal focus on Trump himself, as though he is the cause – rather than the by-product and symptom – of decades-old systemic American pathologies.

Personalizing and isolating Trump as the principal, even singular, source of political evil is obfuscating and thus deceitful. By effect, if not design, it distracts the population’s attention away from the actual architects of their plight.


Absolutely true.

Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself - and the mainstream media (left and right wing) are fixated on over-repetition of his daily antics, because I guess they figure most Americans are too dumb to care about the big issues going on behind the scenes.

It's poisoning the rest of the world too; under the constant onslaught of America-centric media and pop culture, it's fading - bit at least not all gone yet.

Here's an example:

Tensions rise as US threatens to 'take out' Russian missiles

"We’d take out Russia’s nukes",’ US NATO envoy says

You know how much attention this story got in North America? Nothing.
During the [First] Cold War, this kind of talk would be front-page, 2-minutes-to-midnight stuff.
The USA is threatening, through a top NATO official, a pre-emptive strike against Russian nuclear launch sites, an act which would almost certainly cause a WW3 nuclear exchange. In a talk-shit-get-hit world, they're just casually threatening to commit an act of war against a top-tier nuclear power.

But go on America - keep on spewing stuff about Trump's tweet of the day, because that's more important.

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You'll seen the schizophrenic screwdriver holder get blasted? Bitch ass cops.

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Since I've been away from BB a long time, I'm just going to do a bunch of bullet-points about the Kavanaugh thing, which by the way, just reached the confirmation point:

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After bitter nomination process, Brett Kavanaugh sworn in as U.S. Supreme Court justice: Senate's 50-48 vote one of the narrowest ever margins for a top court nomination


https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kavanaugh-friday-vote-1.4853497


1) Well, congrats America. You've really painted yourself into a corner this time. Depending on what the facts actually are, you've become a society where either A) a rapist can be made a Supreme Court judge for life because political leaders knowingly placed him there, or B) a country where a person can be punished for life simply on the basis of an accusation [joining places like Pakistan, North Korea, etc.]. Too binary? Well double congrats, because it looks like you're C) actually fulfilling both conditions at the same time.

2) This FBI investigation was what - a day long? Two? Hardly enough time to rent a secure interview room and set up a coffee machine in it. Seems like the controversy or whether to call in the FBI or not lasted 5 or 10 times longer than the investigation itself. And the limits on the investigation guaranteed they would find nothing at all to break the political logjam. A real FBI investigation would have maybe solved the problem above, if they could have found some actual facts or a 3rd party witness - and that was really the only way out of the minefield from #1, because people really do need to know whether the guy's full of shit or she's full of shit. Without evidence, basically they are both potentially full of shit, pushed to where they are by political factions which are both absolutely capable of the kind of treachery that their enemies assume they are up to.

3) Hearing Christine Blassie-Ford testify, the one thing that struck me about her testimony was that she had decided to try and warn people off Kavanaugh back when there was still a short list of 5 or 6 Republicans in total, meaning when the GOP could still have chosen somebody other than him. Makes me think of this: once Trump announced his choice out of those 5 or 6, the GOP all lined up behind it as if their only choice was to defend Kavanaugh, not just throw him under the bus and choose one of the others. Dumb move, turning a correctable mistake into a holy relic for their crusaders to defend.

4) Or did they feel they had to rush this particular choice, because they thought they could never get another of the GOP's short-listers in there before the midterms hit (potentially costing the GOP the ability to appoint anyone)? Also quote likely. Yet given the rush of FBI pseudo-investigations and hearings and so on, I'm not sure it would have cost them any more time - or even if it did, wouldn't that risk be worth it to not inadvertently put a rapist on the Supreme Court? Too late now.

5) Let's take a rough guess and say 1/3 of Americans think that for sure Kavanaugh is a frat-boy douchebag rapist who is going unpunished, and 1/3 thinks he is an innocent man being smeared after years of nothing because he's about to be given a very powerful job. And I suppose 1/3 aren't relying on their political faction for answers, and want the actual truth before they decide. But whatever the breakdown, the fact that there is no definitive proof either way means no matter what this guy does, he will always have some accused asterisk after every judgement he makes.
Can you imagine the next time the Supreme Court has to settle a case that's in any way about sex, gender, or reproductive rights? Imagine a Roe vs. Wade reversal - only where a [possible] rapist was one of the people deciding it. (Deciding it with regard to rape or incest - even better!) At minimum, 1/3 of people will reject anything this court says or does, and that is absolutely corrosive to the legitimacy of the US "justice" system. See those quote marks? Yeah, that's the asterisk effect, right there. Like I said before, only actual evidence could have removed the guy or removed the asterisk.

6) US Democrats: "Support the Innocence Project, fight for the wrongfully accused."
Also US Democrats: "This is a job interview, not a criminal court - an accusation is all we need to judge him guilty and trash this guy's life forever!"

7) US Republicans: "Central Park Five! Satanic ritual abuse! Red Menace! WMD's!"
Also US Republicans: "What about due process, and independently verifiable evidence?!"

7B) US Republicans: "Even if this happened, this kid [Kavanaugh] was 17 - a youth on the wrong path, deserving a second chance to be a good man in adulthood!"
Also US Republicans: "This [other] young offender did an adult crime, and should be raised to adult court, then executed!"

8 ) In the past, even a hint of something 1/10th this bad would have disqualified a person even from being shortlisted for the SCOTUS. These days, the GOP would be so eager for someone from their team to fill that Supreme Court seat, Trump's nominee could have raped someone while testifying before the Senate, and they would still have voted to confirm him. Even with the possibility that this could bring all of the US legal system into disrepute, the partisanship in the US political scene remains all-powerful.

9) Well, now that Kavanaugh is confirmed by the US senate: Let's say something happens that makes Kavanaugh a lame duck. How do you impeach / un-appoint a Supreme Court justice (with or without a conviction for some crime first)? Is there any way to remove the guy from this for-life position on the Supreme Court, other than assassination?

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Kavanaugh is a frickin Supreme Court Judge. Just wow.

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fucked up shit.

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