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https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/02/05/opinion/rachel-notleys-war-cry-against-bc-ill-fated-strategy


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Rachel Notley's war cry against B.C. is an ill-fated strategy


Premier Rachel Notley is clearly frustrated by British Columbia’s new obstacles to the expansion of pipeline capacity for transporting Alberta’s diluted bitumen to the coast and on to markets in Asia.

She is threatening to take B.C. to court and calling upon the federal government to step in to police the completion of the pipeline expansion. In short, the Alberta government seeks to turn this conflict into a constitutional crisis, while arguing that the entire country—B.C. included—has an interest in letting the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain expansion project go ahead.

Her framing of the situation, however, is based on a set of questionable claims and assumptions. She frames it as a conflict between, on the one hand, a rogue and lawless B.C. government acting under pressure from the BC Greens, and, on the other hand, the sensible, law-abiding governments of the rest of Canada which put the interests of jobs and prosperity first.

The B.C. government’s draft regulations address spill response times, geographic response plans, and restitution to local communities in the event of spills of diluted bitumen on land or in coastal waters, and include a plan to appoint a scientific advisory panel.

Notley has blasted the proposals as "political game-playing," "a whim," "a threat to millions" of jobs in Alberta and elsewhere in Canada. She says these are actions that will diminish investors’ confidence in the predictability of their returns on investment in Canada.

Independent scientists not on board

The premier further questions the B.C. government’s jurisdictional authority to bring forward new environmental regulations on a project that has undergone National Energy Board review and received federal cabinet approval.

Even if all the claims of the Alberta government were true, they would be missing an unavoidable reality that calls for an entirely different approach to the current conflict.

While proponents of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion claim that all the science has been done, and assurances have been given to the federal government that any spills can and will be cleaned up (or compensated for) in a satisfactory manner, such claims have not been accepted by independent scientists.

Also, concerns have been raised by regulators in both BC and Washington State about the secrecy of the information upon which the federal cabinet’s approval was based. There are real environmental risks attached to spills of crude oil, emulsified bitumen, and diluted bitumen, and past spills have cast doubt on the ability of existing methods to remediate contaminated sites (Exxon Valdez, anyone?).

Moreover, the costs of a major spill affecting coastal British Columbia – considering the importance of fisheries and tourism to that province’s economy—are no less significant than the costs to Alberta of foregone revenue from increased bitumen exports to China.

Many would view the B.C. government’s desire to ascertain the feasibility and costs of remediating such spills as prudent. Alberta governments have been content to allow the environmental liabilities of oil and gas extraction to build up over decades without an adequate system in place to ensure that Alberta citizens will not be saddled with the clean-up costs; other governments may well take another approach.

Whole communities could lose their livelihoods

And while Alberta’s government wants to protect jobs associated with bitumen extraction, B.C.’s government wants to protect the jobs associated with fisheries and tourism. Whole communities could lose their livelihoods for a very long time due to toxic contamination of coastal and other areas.

Few are more aware of this than the Indigenous communities located in proximity to the pipeline route and on the coast, and if we are to speak of constitutional issues, this should include those raised by the federal government’s decision to override the opposition to the Trans Mountain project on the part of multiple First Nations.

Then there is the claim that Alberta’s bitumen will command higher prices in China or in other Asian markets than it does in the United States—the claim that underpins the Alberta government’s campaign to get the pipeline expansion completed. Here again there is substantial disagreement on the part of energy economists about whether this is a realistic expectation.

Evidently, the company owning and operating the pipeline will make money, but should the government of Alberta view the tanker route to China as the pathway to greater royalty revenue?

Even if the price differential turns out to be significant for some years, will the benefits of this revenue outweigh the serious (possibly irremediable) environmental risks associated with increased tanker traffic in the Juan de Fuca Strait and indeed along the entire oceanic route taken by these ships? Have we not just witnessed a catastrophic oil tanker accident near the coast of China?

Environmentalists have been trying hard to bring to the public’s attention the endangered status of orca whales and other marine life. Even without an oil spill, the orcas suffer mortality from the existing tanker traffic. While the federal government has jurisdiction over inter-provincial transportation, it also has responsibility for species at risk and protection of oceans and waterways from pollution.

If Alberta 'wins' local battle, it will lose to global changes

Finally, we must ask about the implications of the tripling of the flow of diluted bitumen from the oilsands to the terminal in Burnaby for Canada’s obligation to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions. As environmentalists have argued, building more infrastructure for the extraction and transportation of fossil fuels runs counter to the goal of accelerating a transition to a post-carbon global economy.

The repeated assertions by some provincial governments, the federal government, and many business associations that we can somehow have our cake (produce and export more oil) and eat it, too (reduce our greenhouse gas emissions) is unconvincing. No technological wizardry can negate the impact of a 50 per cent increase in oilsands production between 2016 and 2026.

This reality does, indeed, present a very large problem for the government of Alberta, because so much employment in this province is directly or indirectly dependent on oil and gas extraction—not to mention provincial government revenue, which has nose-dived since oil prices fell in 2014. But sounding the war cry against the government of B.C.—which is, after all, only trying to protect the interests of its own citizens—is an ill-fated strategy to solve Alberta’s revenue and employment problems.

Even if Alberta “wins” this battle, it will soon meet irresistible forces of global change. Divestment from heavy crude oil production is accelerating and global warming has made rapid decarbonization of our economies imperative.

So what is the alternative? Alberta’s problem is all of Canada’s problem. Canada needs to reduce its GHG emissions rapidly and deeply, if we are to do our fair share to stave off the worst scenarios of global warming. We must do this, because it is simply unethical to shift this burden onto future generations and onto people elsewhere in the world who have fewer means to make this transition and who will suffer far more from the consequences of failure. We are all in this together.

Rather than having the provinces at one another’s throats, vying for favouritism with Ottawa over who should bear the costs of phasing out fossil fuel production and investing in new energy systems and transportation and production infrastructures, all governments need to work together to create a transition plan that shares costs and compensates for regionally uneven employment and revenue effects.

Alberta cannot be expected to make this transition overnight and without assistance. British Columbia cannot be expected to put its peoples’ livelihoods and environment at greater risk to accommodate increased bitumen export. There is another way, and if we want to be a country built on solidarity, mutual aid, and ecological sustainability, this is the path we must take.

February 5th 2018
- Laurie Adkin


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Post Re: Canadian Politics Thread: General Cornhollis edition
Rachel Notley will be gone next election. I cannot wait.

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Post Re: Canadian Politics Thread: General Cornhollis edition
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Rachel Notley will be gone next election. I cannot wait.


Yeah, everyone but her seems to know it. Soon as the two conservative parties got together, her chance of victory became nil.

Still, Jason Kenney will be out there throwing even bigger tantrums, because that's what Albertans want. "Let us dump our poison all over BC or we'll scream and throw our toys."

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Post Re: Canadian Politics Thread: General Cornhollis edition
BC's environmental record is terrible, too. Selling coal to China, clear-cutting old growth forests, dump raw sewage into the ocean, etc.

I think it's funny when people talk as if Alberta and BC are different countries or something.

BC will gladly build any pipeline if they get a big enough cut of the profits.

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Post Re: Canadian Politics Thread: General Cornhollis edition
RE: Last thread with Trudeau and "people kind" comment.

He was joking.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau ... -1.4524233

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"I made a dumb joke a few days ago that seems to have gone a little viral in the room, on the peoplekind comment," he said. "It played well in the room and in context. Out of context it doesn't play so well, and it's a little reminder that I shouldn't be making jokes even when I think they're funny."

And no, I didn't vote for Trudeau either.

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I don't believe him.

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I don't believe him.


He's about as good at joking as he is at leading a country if he's telling the truth. I'd tell him not to quit his day job, but I'd really prefer it if he would. A friend of mine has been referring to him as Captain Crayons and I'm tempted to start doing so myself :lol:

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I prefer jebus' "prime minister zoolander"

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No.

Zoolander was a charming film.

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god no, both of those stiller people are the worst

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I don't believe him.


He's about as good at joking as he is at leading a country if he's telling the truth. I'd tell him not to quit his day job, but I'd really prefer it if he would. A friend of mine has been referring to him as Captain Crayons and I'm tempted to start doing so myself :lol:

If you watch the video, it absolutely came across as a joke, and it actually went over well with the audience.

Listen, I'm not one to promote an overly "PC to the point of being painful" type of society, but the amount of anger (mostly from the right, let's be real) about this is pretty ridiculous. It's being made into something it never was, then being spread, and then causing other people to think that Trudeau interrupted her and corrected her and pushed his worldview on her. He didn't. It was a joke. But people who don't like him are going to twist and turn it and use it to fit whatever agenda they're trying to project.

Domsen likes to talk about nothingburgers. Well this is a giant triple patty nothingburger if I ever saw one.

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Clad In Shadows wrote:
Exorcist wrote:
Blackjebus wrote:
I don't believe him.


He's about as good at joking as he is at leading a country if he's telling the truth. I'd tell him not to quit his day job, but I'd really prefer it if he would. A friend of mine has been referring to him as Captain Crayons and I'm tempted to start doing so myself :lol:

If you watch the video, it absolutely came across as a joke, and it actually went over well with the audience.

Listen, I'm not one to promote an overly "PC to the point of being painful" type of society, but the amount of anger (mostly from the right, let's be real) about this is pretty ridiculous. It's being made into something it never was, then being spread, and then causing other people to think that Trudeau interrupted her and corrected her and pushed his worldview on her. He didn't. It was a joke. But people who don't like him are going to twist and turn it and use it to fit whatever agenda they're trying to project.

Domsen likes to talk about nothingburgers. Well this is a giant triple patty nothingburger if I ever saw one.


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go sit on your hand until it goes numb






and then punch yourself repeatedly in the face with it

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How about I punch you in the face instead? Not that I would because I wouldn't want to get grease all over my hand.

Bet it would take less than five seconds for you to start crying.









































I'm kidding, you're not worth five seconds of my time.


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If you watch the video, it absolutely came across as a joke, and it actually went over well with the audience.


How does it come across as a joke? And the audience (mostly fans of Trudeau) didn't laugh, they applauded.

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Clad In Shadows wrote:
If you watch the video, it absolutely came across as a joke, and it actually went over well with the audience.


How does it come across as a joke? And the audience (mostly fans of Trudeau) didn't laugh, they applauded.

I don't know. Maybe it's the tone? The chuckling afterwards? The smile? The audience reaction (which does indeed include laughter)? Seems pretty obvious to me. Mostly fans of Trudeau? Maybe, maybe not. It isn't really relevant though.

You'll choose to not believe him because you will likely not believe a word the guy says anyway.

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Clad In Shadows wrote:
If you watch the video, it absolutely came across as a joke, and it actually went over well with the audience.


How does it come across as a joke? And the audience (mostly fans of Trudeau) didn't laugh, they applauded.

I finally got to watch the video (I posted the link at work).

If you didn't see people laughing during that, nor the PM laughing, or watch him smile while explaining the joke, then you either must be blind or are only seeing what you want to see.

I'm not a fan of Trudeau either, but c'mon, dude.
Clad In Shadows wrote:
If you watch the video, it absolutely came across as a joke, and it actually went over well with the audience.

Listen, I'm not one to promote an overly "PC to the point of being painful" type of society, but the amount of anger (mostly from the right, let's be real) about this is pretty ridiculous. It's being made into something it never was, then being spread, and then causing other people to think that Trudeau interrupted her and corrected her and pushed his worldview on her. He didn't. It was a joke. But people who don't like him are going to twist and turn it and use it to fit whatever agenda they're trying to project.

Domsen likes to talk about nothingburgers. Well this is a giant triple patty nothingburger if I ever saw one.

100% this.

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You'll choose to not believe him because you will likely not believe a word the guy says anyway.


Actually, I believe him 100%

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Clad In Shadows wrote:
You'll choose to not believe him because you will likely not believe a word the guy says anyway.


Actually, I believe him 100%


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Blackjebus wrote:
Clad In Shadows wrote:
You'll choose to not believe him because you will likely not believe a word the guy says anyway.


Actually, I believe him 100%

Blackjebus wrote:
I don't believe him.


Coulda fooled me, I suppose.

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Clad In Shadows wrote:
You'll choose to not believe him because you will likely not believe a word the guy says anyway.


Actually, I believe him 100%

Could you be more specific: do you believe he was joking?

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He's being a dick, OP. Stop falling for it.

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My question stands.

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Exorcist wrote:
He's about as good at joking as he is at leading a country if he's telling the truth. I'd tell him not to quit his day job, but I'd really prefer it if he would. A friend of mine has been referring to him as Captain Crayons and I'm tempted to start doing so myself :lol:

If you watch the video, it absolutely came across as a joke, and it actually went over well with the audience.

Listen, I'm not one to promote an overly "PC to the point of being painful" type of society, but the amount of anger (mostly from the right, let's be real) about this is pretty ridiculous. It's being made into something it never was, then being spread, and then causing other people to think that Trudeau interrupted her and corrected her and pushed his worldview on her. He didn't. It was a joke. But people who don't like him are going to twist and turn it and use it to fit whatever agenda they're trying to project.

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I agree.

His sanctimonious "OH COME ON" in Nanaimo should be getting all the attention.

Basically, BC is to be poisoned for Alberta's benefit, and the feds think the only problem with this plan is that we in BC do not want to agree to it.

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It didn't come off as a joke in the video, it came off as a lecture.

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