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12 Aug 2018, 21:41
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Between the 9th and 13th centuries, Iceland had 20% more forest cover than it does now . It now has significantly more ice cover than it did many centuries ago.

Climate change is a fucking fraud and cap and trade is a scam to pilfer billions of dollars from the people. Also, all the planets in our solar system have been getting hotter and there ain't nobody living on Mars, Venus etc.

Time for all the alarmists to remove their heads from their asses.


Read a book. In the meantime do everyone a favour and shut the fuck up. Promoting scientific illiteracy is just as bad as pushing religious bullshit, as far as I'm concerned

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Promoting scientific illiteracy is just as bad as pushing religious bullshit, as far as I'm concerned


Allah disagrees with you.

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13 Aug 2018, 16:20
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Shit's melting all around us, including the minds of the young generation.

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The level of stupidity is off the fucking wall in here.

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13 Aug 2018, 16:26
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Promoting scientific illiteracy is just as bad as pushing religious bullshit, as far as I'm concerned

Often pushed by the same folks.

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Svarog wrote:
Promoting scientific illiteracy is just as bad as pushing religious bullshit, as far as I'm concerned

Often pushed by the same folks.


Mhm.


13 Aug 2018, 23:33
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Hence why we say religion is cancer and should not be given any leeway on a social level.

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they can be as socially involved as they want once they start paying fucking taxes.

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14 Aug 2018, 16:14
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no because then they can start being politically involved too

leave the money the way it is, just tell them to shut the fuck up when it comes to policy

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14 Aug 2018, 16:23
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yeah but they already don't do that.

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i still think your solution would just worsen that

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most likely. i didn't give it a lot of thought.

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I am a pretty average guy. If it doesn't work for me, it's probably shit for most people.


Case in point: My family and I looked into installing solar panels on our old house a few years ago and even had a specialist come in and inspect the roof to see if this was doable (we had a semi-flat roof on a slight incline so the sun's rays would generate a modest amount of electricity at an angle on a good day). As the measuring of how much heat would be generated into the panels to produce the amount of energy consumption was something around the ballpark figure of $0.05/kW we estimated that the panels would be paying themselves off within a decade after the $20,000 or so paid for the material and installation - and this was one of the cheaper companies we'd found at the time with others asking for twice as much.

Needless to say, we opted not to sign on. Even with three adults working full-time - including myself working two jobs - we just barely cover the cost of the mortgage as is. I'd need another two jobs alone to cover paying for $20,000 solar panels on my end.

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This article has a right-winger in a right wing paper explain why Trudeau's having problems convincing people on the carbon tax. However, contained inside the political criticism is a very good explanation - from an economics perspective - of why carbon taxes are likely the best way to achieve a reduction in greenhouse gases without fucking up the economy or damaging peoples' personal innovation.


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/colby-cosh-losing-the-beachhead-have-the-liberals-harmed-the-cause-of-carbon-taxation

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In yesterday’s Financial Post, the Calgary economist Jack Mintz asked the question “Why are carbon taxes so unpopular?”, pointing out that plenty of countries and jurisdictions have commitments to climate progress and energy efficiency but that few use this particular policy instrument. I guess Jack wouldn’t have had much of a column if he had just adopted the spirit of an auto mechanic explaining a breakdown to a naive car owner and jabbed directly at the problem. “See that word ‘taxes’? There’s your problem right there.”

And, truly, it is not quite as simple as that. But, as Mintz suggests, it is a big part of the difficulty. As a means of helping reduce carbon output, carbon taxes are competing with subsidies and regulations. Pervasive carbon taxes are, as a general principle, a less costly way of eliminating freely exhaled carbon, pound for pound or ton for ton.

If the tax is well designed, you are slapping a uniform unit price directly onto the thing you are trying to prevent; and you are leaving people and businesses to make decentralized judgments, based on their knowledge of their own circumstances, about whether to avoid the tax, and when, and how to do it.
Even though the initial level of the tax must be something of a guess, you can adjust it by arbitrarily small increments until you have eliminated just as much carbon output as you wish to.

Economists will recognize that last paragraph as a grocery list of the relative advantages of carbon taxation. But voters are predisposed to hate taxes, and are very sensitive to their size and their side effects. They may not like government subsidies for windmills or carbon-capture schemes or certain species of light bulb either; but subsidies can usually be sold on the basis of local job creation or business incubation, and they can be — let’s face it, inevitably are — adjusted for maximum electoral benefit.

If subsidies fail outright to accomplish anything, the equivalent of the auditor-general probably won’t get around to telling anyone about it for a decade or more. And regulations have more or less the same problems. They’re like a tax, only stupider. More binary. You are just abolishing some economically undesirable behaviour without any attention to cost at all.



The way I see it, people like Doug Ford and Andrew Scheer oppose a carbon tax because acting anti-tax always sounds good to the fanatical partisan base and the "do-nothing-ever" lobby that funds the propaganda machine. But the smarter conservatives have been those like Michael Chong and Patrick Brown. Climate realists, to go with being economic and social realists.
Unfortunately, the conservative base is more energized by the spectacle of partisan gamesmanship, and doesn't want to deal with reality if they can avoid it instead. Climate realists get rejected out of hand, in favour of those who spout some dipshit ideas about doubling-down on the oil industry.


And by the way, that's probably why Patrick Brown got suddenly dumped as PC leader. His climate realism made certain conservative backers nervous, so they engineered a scandal to take him down. Enter Doug Ford - card-carrying climate dipshit. That's what "Regime change" PC style looks like.

Think about it. :idea:

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I would be more likely to listen to what the government has to say about a carbon tax (I still will probably disagree with it), but as long as imported Saudi oil is still going to be exempt (while Canadian oil would be taxed), then I refuse to even bother listening to the idea at all.

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Pathetic how many dipshits believe the bullshit Trudeau shoves down to the hard working taxpayers of this once great country.


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wow, there's a mississippi in canada?

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Pathetic how many dipshits believe the bullshit Trudeau shoves down to the hard working taxpayers of this once great country.


Open a book retard

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wow, there's a mississippi in canada?


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Paul Baloff wrote:
Pathetic how many dipshits believe the bullshit Trudeau shoves down to the hard working taxpayers of this once great country.


Finally someone here who speaks my language and uses some sense when he posts!

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Personally, I preferred Witchmark. Much more entertaining.

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It's good news though, right? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -on-record

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The oldest and thickest sea ice in the Arctic has started to break up, opening waters north of Greenland that are normally frozen, even in summer.

This phenomenon – which has never been recorded before – has occurred twice this year due to warm winds and a climate-change driven heatwave in the northern hemisphere.

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I would be more likely to listen to what the government has to say about a carbon tax (I still will probably disagree with it), but as long as imported Saudi oil is still going to be exempt (while Canadian oil would be taxed), then I refuse to even bother listening to the idea at all.



I do not believe any thing like an examption should exist for such imports. Indeed, if the Paris Climate Agreement is to have any real force behind it, then countries which do not take action on climate / GHG emissions on their own (i.e having carbon taxation or some other economic incentives to clean up their own act), or which subsidized their own carbon-fuel industries should be subjected to import tariffs on their products.

After all, the problem economically is that the balance is already tipped in favour of those "cheap & dirty" environmental practices - which is to say they can do things cheap because they do things dirty. The economic incentive for countries to remain "carbon dirty" has to be replaced with an economic incentive to clean up, and that would take some very hard-edged convincing.



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2018 now worst fire season on record:
Close to 13,000 sq km of province has burned, breaking record set in 2017


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/state-emergency-bc-wildfires-1.4803546

And realize that things will get worse, not better.

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