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That's a fair assessment of them and their situation in the West. They're purposefully undermining American ideologies and forcing questions to be had about American systems and institutions. I understand that and appreciate it. You are correct: it is necessary. However, one could see how that could be considered invasive.

I suppose I'm more of an idealist: wishing the American people to do that for themselves rather than a foreign "enemy of the state" do it for them.

I don't agree with some of what RT reports - especially when stuff went south in Crimea. I appreciate your sentiment towards them, but do not share it.


The Crimea story in our media was smeared with NATO propaganda from the outset. This was an internal USSR matter which began during Khrushchev's era. Russia took action once it understood that Ukraine was being successfully influenced (meddled with?) by the United States and NATO into relieving Russia's Navy of its strategic positions in the peninsula. Don't let the Western narrative obfuscate the fact that Crimea was always Russia except for a short period from 1954, when a political play inside the USSR government resulted in its redistribution to the Ukrainian SSR without Russian support.

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I suppose I'm more of an idealist: wishing the American people to do that for themselves rather than a foreign "enemy of the state" do it for them.


This is the best case against immigration that I've ever heard. :)

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/missile-al ... -1.4486510

"We made a mistake." :)

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See above. :cheers:

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I thought the edit was this paragraph. Apparently I didn't initially see it.
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But what, you ask, is the problem with a Kremlin-backed news organization legally established in the US? When they purposefully interfere in an election and distort truth, it becomes a problem.

We agreed there was no collusion and then you say this. It can't be both. And anyway, they didn't. Putting a few ads out is fuck all compared to the things America has done in Russia and around the globe in terms of election interference and direct collusion against one or another government. Coups, false vote results, etc. Even Clinton likes the idea, having lamented that the Palestinian election a few years back didn't go her way. So the bar for what is considered interference and meddling has to be higher than what the Americans already do, on a regular basis, in order for me to take such claims seriously. And to this day, the Russians and their TV networks aren't even close to that.

I never said there was no collusion. All I was saying was that there is no objective proof of collusion at this time.

You said they didn't collude but have no proof otherwise. I know that means the burden of proof is on me, but I felt like my first large block of text which you responded to earlier showed some connections to how collusion is possible (just not proven yet).

It's a Catch-22. I do agree that RT serves a purpose of showing something different to the American people. It makes me hypocritical, but I'm fine with that. This wasn't about RT anyway. I only suggested RT was a small factor of a larger plot of potential collusion. It may even be blackmail on Trump instead of collusion. It may even be nothing. I'm skeptical on the whole ordeal but I'm trying to see all sides.

I agree with you: I don't think Russia is the enemy and I don't fear them. I'm okay with RT being an alternative source for news. But is RT linked to the IRA? Is the IRA part of the Kremlin? I don't know, you don't know, and we both may never know. But like I said, I'll remain skeptical and open to suggestions and information.

I still appreciate the dialogue with you, TLP. Thank you. :cheers:


Yeah RT is just one example for me as well. Many of my comments about the organization may also apply to Al-Jazeera and its Qatari perspective for example, so this wasn't exclusively about just one source. I personally want as many sources as possible at all times. There are some that I don't value at all, on all sides of the spectrum, and some controversial ones that I will still refer to because I believe they have merit.

Good chatting. Cheers.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/missile-alert-hawaii-panic-1.4486510

"We made a mistake." :)


As mistakes go, it's a beauty. Top 5 all-time material.

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Murica, fuck yeah!! Putting it here instead of the tech thread because it's standard practice for American corporations to do this, and taxpayers to carry employees when the employer fails to do so. Amazon workers on food stamps because the richest man in the world won't pay them sufficiently. https://newrepublic.com/article/146540/ ... er-dollars

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Amazon ranks nineteenth among Ohio businesses in number of employees on food stamps, behind Walmart, McDonald’s, and Kroger. But Amazon is only the fifty-third-largest employer in Ohio, suggesting a higher rate of employees on food stamps than its counterparts. More important, Amazon has obtained at least $123 million in state tax incentives to place warehouse and data center locations in Ohio. This reflects a perverse form of double-dipping: Amazon gets a bounty to create jobs in Ohio, and then a good chunk of the jobs are so low-paying that workers have to seek federal assistance, providing a second subsidy for the e-commerce giant.


Capitalism is just corporate welfare, stop blaming poor people or social welfare programs or healthcare or anything else people rely on, and start blaming corporate America & politicians.

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I suppose I'm more of an idealist: wishing the American people to do that for themselves rather than a foreign "enemy of the state" do it for them.


This is the best case against immigration that I've ever heard. :)

Fucking LOL. :lol:

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yeah he's a joke alright.

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Dem Establishment Goes Nuts: Claims Chelsea Manning Run Against Despicable Sen. Ben Cardin Is A Putin Plot!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/cen ... -in-power/


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Pastor slams Trump during service, with Pence in attendance. Do you think Pence shrugged it off like he did at Hamilton, or did he get up and leave like he did at his staged Colts game protest? :lol: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ngregation

But it's good news for Trump on the economy, as this Harvard professor points out he is in fact making America great again. Well, America's deficit anyway. https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... reat-again

Still to see an economist declare the GOP tax plan is anything but an assault on the lower and middle class, or that it will benefit the economy outside a narrow band of rich people. Strangely, nobody here promoting it has been able to provide any evidence to suggest otherwise either. Weird...

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Well show me one economist that predicted that the Dow would top 25,000+ points in one year under Trump.

There is zero point paying much attention to economists (especially the ones mainstream news outlets choose to talk to), because their predictions are always shit.

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Great deflection. So you still can't answer? Here's some Dow Jones facts for you:

The Dow rose by pretty much the same percent in Obama's first year as it has for Trump. You can confirm this when you select the By President tab and do the comparison yourself here - http://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jon ... ical-chart

The Dow is simply on an upward trajectory which precedes Trump and his policies. You know, a bull run, which has been running now for quite a while now.

Economic policies take a long time to filter through the economy. Most benefits the economy are seeing in the past year would largely be due to Obama-era policies.

The richest Americans benefit from any upward swing in the Dow, not normal Americans, the middle or lower class. Which goes back to my point, you still can't find an economist who will say the GOP plan is good for the economy or the people of America. Because nobody is stupid enough to declare such a thing.

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Dem Establishment Goes Nuts: Claims Chelsea Manning Run Against Despicable Sen. Ben Cardin Is A Putin Plot!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/cen ... -in-power/


Wow. The russophobia in Washington is so real and ever pervasive, that the Democrats will even cannibalize their own beliefs in pursuit of the cyrillic ghosts

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Wow. The russophobia in Washington is so real and ever pervasive, that the Democrats will even cannibalize their own beliefs in pursuit of the cyrillic ghosts


Right. This one even proves more that this whole russian collusion thing is a total hoax nothingburger.


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Because nobody is stupid enough to declare such a thing.



This person declares such a thing:

Trump’s corporate tax cuts are a gift for workers, not the rich

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/ ... rs-not-the

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Economically the US is fucked anyway. The amount of debt will reach a point were they just can't pay it back. Also China is on the rise and they want to bring the gold standard to their country, so the Yuan will gain a lot in the future. They will try to do everything to destroy the petrodollar/world reserve currency. Oil is becoming less important and europe will buy liquid gas from Russia and Iran not from the US.

Trump is just giving some people a good time for now with his tax plan.

But again the debt was there anyway. He didn't create it. It wasn't his fault. Bush and Obama pushed for this. that's also the reason why this last economic nobel price went to this obama guy (Richard Thaler) who loves debt.

There are three huge bubbles about to burst in the US which are now bigger than the last financial crisis: loans for cars, student loans, pensions. They will all need a bailout, which the US doesn't have the money for.

Well, actually this debt situation is everywhere in the western world and in asia, so there's gonna be some huge financial crisis on the horizon.

The people that rule the US economy are keynesians and monetarists and they didn't understand what was going on during the last financial crisis and they don't understand it now.

People who will blame Trump for this seemed to have been asleep the last 16 years.


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xdisciplex wrote:
Because nobody is stupid enough to declare such a thing.



This person declares such a thing:

Trump’s corporate tax cuts are a gift for workers, not the rich

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/ ... rs-not-the


A lawyer and businessman, someone who would likely benefit from the cut as a businessman.

Wow, great source.

Still waiting for you to find an economist though.

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Still waiting for you to find an economist though.


I haven't even looked. :roll:

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Don't bother, because you won't find any.

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fusion gps doesn't seem like the type of outfit to fuck around.



They are exactly the kind of outfit to "fuck around" as you put it. Fusion GPS is just another in a long line of shady private armies/intelligence agencies that pipe up whenever someone needs dirty work done but doesn't want to put government's seal on it.

TigerSwan
Bell Pottinger
Blackwater/Xe/Academi
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and now, Fusion GPS.

Feel free to look them all up. The records of these companies speak for themselves: their trade is treachery, and they are all the kind of people you should never take at their word.

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