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Homeland Security Hires "Media Monitoring Services" To Compile 'Media Influencer' Database
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I love how their most important new initiative is to try and monitor what people say about them.

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So Zuckerberg was getting grilled today in the US, and it was hilarious how they had him pinned.

The phonebook-sized "terms and conditions", the way he didn't want to tell them what hotel he was staying at, which is info that Facebook collects from its users.

It's not just Facebook, of course, but all such businesses. Their whole business model is based on collection peoples' personal information intrusively, building dossiers on their behavior and associates. They do not collect this info out of mere curiosity - being sold to others is what it is being collected for.

The idea that it's only a problem now, because Cambridge Analytica used it, is absurd.

That's like Chevron blaming a customer because they used Chevron's gasoline to drive around.

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Just when you thought pictures couldn't get any bigger... boom, Klaus proves us wrong.

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... otten-case

If you have information in the public realm (newspaper archive, libraries, court records etc.), why should you be able to force a search engine to remove you from their reach? Unless your past record is sealed (no longer in the public realm), you really have no right to request a search engine stop finding it.

This case doesn't mention if other public records are still accessible for the guy who won, but if they are, it's a shit call saying Google can no longer access those public records.

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The laws regarding this issue make little sense.
Genuinely public information can be mass-disappeared without legitimate cause, but private companies can pass around your private information like a teenage girl at a biker rally.

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Damn, techbro dropped a thermobaric burn ! :burn:

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It's bonkers that Facebook has admitted to building profiles on the people who don't even have Facebook accounts.

Something needs to be done to keep these tech corporations in check.

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Time for an Anti-trust comeback.

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It's bonkers that Facebook has admitted to building profiles on the people who don't even have Facebook accounts.

Something needs to be done to keep these tech corporations in check.


This is new? :? They've been doing it for years, same as Google. Why do you think they own so much of the advertising market? They've been tracking you via ads for a long time, and it's long been known.

3 years ago - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... rivacy-law

3 years ago - https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 46631.html

Last year - https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/06/you- ... racks-you/

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Yeah anyone who follows tech has known this for half a decade at least. And that's what's frightening--nobody cared until CA used info to help Trump. People seemed completely okay with it when it was being used for all those NeoLib Soros-fueled pro-Democrat agendas.

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Time for an Anti-trust comeback.


Next year there will be elections for a new European Parliament. Expect the trend of Hungary, Austria, Itlay and so go on. We'll definitely see a change then against FANG companies.


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Yeah anyone who follows tech has known this for half a decade at least. And that's what's frightening--nobody cared until CA used info to help Trump. People seemed completely okay with it when it was being used for all those NeoLib Soros-fueled pro-Democrat agendas.



I would not call it a pro-Democrat agenda, but definitely pro-system, pro-oligarch, or pro-elite. The Republicans represent the big business elite even more than the Dems, but they are not so socially "Californian". But being "Californian" means a lot of things, and in a system where money determines political success, the Dems have become dependent on their own set of oligarchs.

I have said that "Republicans = Wall Street + petroleum, while Democrats = Wall Street + tech" and I stand by that, as an observed tendency.

Yet, there are people like Peter Thiel, who are right-wing Republican tech oligarchs. He's also a BilderBro, through and through, but you won't see Trump's people call him (or the Mercers) "elite" even though they are both elite and elitist.

(Thiel founded Palantir, a data harvesting outfit that is not that different from CA; the most unusual thing is that he is obviously also a LOTR geek, so I hope he's paying royalties to the Tolkein estate for all the companies he names after their concepts.)

It's guys like Sanders (and Corbyn) would give the data collection industry even more anxiety than Trump, because unlike Trump they are more likely to act on behalf of consumers' rights. No part of Wall Street or the tech industry would be happy with the privacy restrictions these guys would hit them with, and in the context of this discussion, that is a big positive for them.

If people are pissed at Facebook and CA, it is as you said because of the perception it helped put Trump the Obnoxious into power. But if CA had been able to plug Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush into the White House instead, they wouldn't be this hysteria about it. Net neutrality would still be getting repealed, taxes would still be cut for the richest 1%, but the privacy outcry wouldn't be anything but a journalistic footnote.

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Yeah anyone who follows tech has known this for half a decade at least. And that's what's frightening--nobody cared until CA used info to help Trump. People seemed completely okay with it when it was being used for all those NeoLib Soros-fueled pro-Democrat agendas.


I was never OK with it, and my profile on FB is basically loaded with all this info and trying to friends to maximise their protection.

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That sounds dreadful. Last thing I want on Facebook is some guy telling me to not use Facebook.

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BBC: Facebok US users don't give a shit about CamAnal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44023381

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Of course not. As long as they can post crappy memes filled with subtle racism they're happier than pigs in shit.


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BBC: Facebok US users don't give a shit about CamAnal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44023381



Not much to give a shit about there. CA is clearly not the problem, Facebook is.

They're not going to dump FB when there's no less-intrusive alternative, nor any law that will compel FB and other data miners to give up the intrusiveness they have already built.

I was talking about this with my cousin yesterday. Free speech is considered a check against Big Bad Government, but this is an archaic and naive point of view. The fact is private industry is just as capable of violating peoples' rights, and does so more often. And social media in particular does not even require a formal organization - just a fanatic with a grudge, with access to a like-minded online mob of goons.

Social media was made for hybrid warfare. Not government versus government but private citizens against each other.

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Of course not. As long as they can post crappy memes filled with subtle racism they're happier than pigs in shit.

Stop acting like a child.

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Of course not. As long as they can post crappy memes filled with subtle racism they're happier than pigs in shit.

Stop acting like a child.


I would have gone with the sheep analogy but it wouldn't have worked in this particular instance. Thanks for calling me out on that though. :)


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Yet it's completely inconceivable that a certain country hacked another country's election. Right. ;)



You mean when Jeb Bush rigged the election in Florida so emperor Bush II could be "elected" ? :lol:

OK well, think about what it takes to actually hack an election, to fake the results. 50 states, each with a different system in place, not all of which are electronic (and can't be fucked with by hackers, in any way that isn't auditable). There has been the hysteria that the US 2016 election process was fucked with by Russia, but zero evidence that any ballot counts were affected. None. Nil.

So what is the accusation? That the Russians fucked with the election campaign - that they messed with all that hyperbolic partisan diarrhea which was flowing out of both parties, both during the primaries and afterwards when it was party versus party.

The most that can be said there was that the Russians:

1) Hacked the DNC email accounts (on GMail, LOL) of John Podesta and others, and exposed the internal dirty laundry of that party, thus damaging the Hillary Clinton campaign.
How? By showing how the DNC was not acting neutral in her contest against Bernie Sanders, but rather had been coordinating with Team Hillary to make sure she won the party nomination and Sanders didn't. Podesta, Wasserman-Schultz, Brazile.
Secondarily, Hillary's response and the party's, regarding the Benghazi incident years before.
There was other gossip-level shit, but if we're talking damage, it would be from that.
Still doesn't change what was found, only the fact that it got out into the public.

2) The creation of various sorts of online troll accounts, semi-autonomous, as part of a partisan hate campaign by the fanatical right against Hillary Clinton. Actions that connected various US super-PACS to online efforts to target potential anti-Hillary voters and mobilize them against her at the ballot box, using such social media platforms as Facebook, Twitter, 4Chan, Instagram, etc. etc. (basically all of it).

Well, here's the reality:
- The Republicans had a fanatical paranoid hate-on for Hillary Clinton since the early 1990's. They never relented on this, ever, and the whole anyone-but-Hillary movement is completely Made In The U.S.A. In fact, they consider themselves ultra-American patriots - and most of the big names in that movement were also avowed Russia-haters.

- Take a look at the trollish commentary and you'll see that most of that troll presence online is also Made In The USA, the product of US domestic politics. It has been going on relentlessly from both sides for decades; only the technology changes, not the poisonous rhetoric of conspiracy theorists.

- Most of that also the product of US oligarchs and their pet NGO's- the Koch Bros, the Mercer family, Peter Thiel, and others. The Dems had their own set of friendly oligarchs; most of them from the tech industry and Wall Street. These Super-PAC and NGOs had already deployed every political mass-marketing technique in existence - all the same techniques that are now claimed to have originated from Russia.

- As for any opinion coming from other countries, what makes Russia's so toxic, or even special? People all around the world had opinions on the US election, and expressed them online. There were also very well-funded and organized campaigns by Israel, the Saudis, the EU, China, etc. - in short, a multitude of foreign interests not only gave comment, but actively sought to have an effect on the US campaign. For some reason, Americans seem unconcerned with those others, in some cases even welcoming their excessive influence over American policies. If you listed the weight Americans place on other countries' opinions of them, Russia is not even in the top 5 of nations.

- Although Clinton didn't exactly acquit herself well in some respects of the campaign's rhetoric, some of the stuff the trolls were using against her was completely absurd shit. Satanic pizza orgies and whatnot. However, there is exactly zero evidence that this kind of "fake news" stuff was taken seriously by anyone who was not already dead-set against Clinton. Hardcore partisans believed it, but there was no evidence that any of it moved undecided and non-partisan voters (in either direction). They certainly didn't lose any committed Dems over it.

- Did Russia have any control over FBI Director Comey, and his actions? Nope. It would be hard to say whether he was trying to damage one of their campaigns on purpose, but the hand of Putin was not on anything he did, nor the splashy way he was injected into the campaign (as its possible decider). For that, you can thank US parties, US media, US institutions.

- Russia certainly didn't dictate Trump's behavior, because basically his campaign was one long tawdry scandal, where by the end, the question was only whether he was America's biggest or second-biggest asshole. Even many Republicans denounced him mid-campaign. Hardly the kind of cunning & subtle campaign a ex-KGB man like Putin would concoct. (And if that was somehow Putin's strategy, what does it really say about America if it was a success?)

- Nobody forced the Democrat party brass to cheat in favour of Clinton, and alienate a lot of working-class Dems and Sanders supporters. Nobody forced the Clinton's people to run a complacent campaign, where celebrities and campus politics seemed to be the main thrust of it. The Dems lost those people all on their own, and the voter turnout comparisons for both parties prove it. Indeed, there is plenty of evidence that with a couple of different decisions (making Sanders the VP candidate, having Clinton visit some more blue collar states), they might have gotten some of those potential Democrat voters back.

To re-iterate since this is the TECH thread, is that the Russians may have been involved two "cyber" sorts of things - may have:
1) airing the dirty laundry of the Clinton campaign team - which happened to be true information (and most of it, boring), not fake ;
2) online trolling / opinionated commentary campaign from a foreign source.

To say the US fate was sealed by some sort of cyber attack, you'd have to prove that the second had an effect above and beyond what was already present domestically, and that the first was not an act of whistleblowing in the public interest. You have to prove the actions were foreign not domestic inspired, prove they were an attack not just an effect, and prove they were decisive to the outcome of the campaign.

(And for the non-Yankee world, prove that Russia did something especially nefarious that the US has never done itself, which is of course, impossible.)

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I want to read your post man but Domsen's pic has borked this page big time.


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I want to read your post man but Domsen's pic has borked this page big time.



Really? I think the links are dead. All I see is the word "image" over and over. :?

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