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Yes, Google Uses Its Power to Quash Ideas It Doesn’t Like—I Know Because It Happened to Me
http://gizmodo.com/yes-google-uses-its- ... 1798646437

Has Google Become A Major Threat To Democracy In America?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-3 ... cy-america

"People Are So Afraid Of Google Now": Here's Why
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-3 ... -heres-why


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It's funny Google is the new Microsoft when it comes to this shit, but nobody wants to complain about how much Facebook knows about you, or that they develop a profile on you via third party websites even if you don't have a Facebook account?

I wrote this in 2012 and have since done a number of presentations on the subject. I haven't checked the validity of the links, but Snowden showed us we haven't even begun to scratch the surface on the insane shit that exists out there, from companies or governments.

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I've decided to make a post about your privacy and information online. It's about information collecting, how your online identity is charted and used, who shares what, and I guess to an extent this helps form a picture of what CISPA would allow government and business to share freely without any legal authority.

From the NY Times (How to Muddy Your Tracks on the Internet) - http://nyti.ms/IL9M2x

This article says most are familiar with wireless snooping but using sites like Google, Yahoo and Facebook pose a bigger risk to your privacy than any hacker war driving in your neighbourhood. The profile they create about everything you do is a massive trove of information (remember when AOL released search data and a journalist was able to identify an old woman simply based on her search history?) They mention a good point, don't use Gmail if you use Google...why do you think Gmail was the first to offer massive storage for email? Lure people, make the information more valuable for advertising and data mining. It mentions other things like Ghostery which I have installed, and mentions something call Bubbling. See the next link below.

Filter bubbles limit what you see online - http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_be ... bbles.html

Bubbling as the previous link called it is about creating a customized world for each user on certain sites. Ever notice how some of your friends go missing in your Facebook feed for months but if you go to their page they've been actively posting? That's Facebook technology filtering out what it thinks you want to see. Post on a friends wall, watch your Recommended Pages change to match that users preferences, it shows you all the stuff they like. Or as the video says, get 3 people to search the same term on Google and see if the results match. You don't get the best match for the search any more, you get the best match Google thinks you want to see based on the profile they have created for you, based on your past searching and viewing habits online. You get a very narrow search result back and it may not be the best. I use DuckDuckGo and StartPage for all my searching, preference for StartPage as it also lets you browse sites using the Ixquick proxy.

Employers demanding your Facebook account information to check you out - http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/03 ... ant-a-job/

Self explanatory title here. Job interview, wanted the password. Guy offered to login and leave the room for a few minutes, that didn't work and he caved, providing the password to the potential employer. Now your online life is becoming part of job interviews and this raises so many obscene questions about privacy laws and company privacy policies. Any business with a computer has a privacy and security policy that says don't share password, right? Check at your job. Now you've got a job market that's gone to hell and if you want a job they want your Facebook password?

Google knew it's street view cars were grabbing your personal data with it's packet sniffer years before it was known to public, and all they got was a $25k fine from the FTC for failing to provide documentation in a timely manner - http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/04 ... ta-breach/

This was major news when it was discovered Google was grabbing data, many countries took them to court and filed charges against them for privacy invasion, especially throughout Europe which has some of the best privacy laws in the world. What happened in the US? Google just decided not to respond to the FTC and got a $25,000 fine for failure to respond. That's it. A major widespread violation against millions of people in the US alone and there is no criminal charges, no court date, no multi-billion dollar lawsuit. They intentionally collected personal data (emails, browser history, passwords etc) and got away with it entirely.

What They Know feature on the Wall St Journal - http://online.wsj.com/public/page/what- ... ivacy.html

This fun section from WSJ goes into some detail about what sites and apps are collecting on you and your friends. What facebook apps have terrible privacy policies and how they leak information. It looks at iPhone tracking, web tracking, privacy policies, popular apps, and dozens of articles on other topics. Did you hear about the Girls Around Me app? That was a purpose built application to grab information from facebook users and make it really really really easy to track and stalk women. Obviously it was pulled but this is a sign of what's out there for people to use with available information. All the app did was collect info from 2 social media sites readily available and package them into a single program.

Another excellent piece from WSJ about your information online - http://projects.wsj.com/surveillance-catalog/

Find out more about hacking, data interception and analysis, web scraping, staying anonymous, and device specific information including Blackberry, Android and iOS devices.

Bluffdale Utah NSA facility to collect Yottabytes of data - http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/0 ... atacenter/

The NSA is working on a new multi-billion dollar storage facility (yep, just row upon row of storage arrays) to grab as much data as possible, including encrypted data. DEC is no longer used, cracked. They are planning not only storage facilities but working with Cray to develop super computers to crack AES encryption, and grabbing all encrypted data they can for the day they can decrypt it. This facility will store a massive amount of data they plan to capture and analyze. Some of the highlights from the Wired article include:

the Pentagon is attempting to expand its worldwide communications network, known as the Global Information Grid, to handle yottabytes (1024 bytes) of data. (A yottabyte is a septillion bytes—so large that no one has yet coined a term for the next higher magnitude.)

Should the agency ever fill the Utah center with a yottabyte of information, it would be equal to about 500 quintillion (500,000,000,000,000,000,000) pages of text.


It goes on to mention they hope to capture and analyze not only public web and communication on the common we we all know, but to go deep into the darknet and deep web, the unpublished documents, intranets, password protected sites and communities, TOR etc.

There's no specific purpose to the post, it's primarily informational. It collects information across multiple sites and paints a very broad picture of what happens online to your information, regardless how hidden you think your web aliases make you as an individual or how private you are normally. Many of them talk about ways you can go about making it harder to grab your data like the first NY Times article. Use StartPage.com or DuckDuckGo.com as a search engine, use Ghostery, ad blockers, cookie/cache clearing applications, spread out the tools/sites you use. The more you spread to multiple groups the harder it is to make a profile of you (though this is where CISPA and the free sharing of information between agencies and companies will have a direct impact in taking down that hurdle).

The web is going to hell a little more each day. How you protect your identity from organized crime, web profiling and eavesdropping governments is up to you.

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01 Sep 2017, 06:42
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xdisciplex wrote:
but nobody wants to complain about how much Facebook knows about you, or that they develop a profile on you via third party websites even if you don't have a Facebook account?


I've actually seen A LOT of complaining about this, too. Especially since rumblings about mark Zuckerberg running for public office (think of the dirt he has on all of his opponents!).

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Honestly, fuck all of them. Google, Facebook, etc. - people get so bent out of shape when it comes to public (government) mass surveillance, but when it comes to private (business) mass surveillance, they just shrug and ignore how pervasive and sinister it really is.

And of course, because money is involved so heavily in politics and the legal profession, who is really there to stand up and assert that big business has even less right to gather intelligence dossiers on people than governments do?

Yet there it is: data mining, currently the biggest of big businesses. They just developed a whole market architecture based on it, and the public never really gave them permission to do so.

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The worst part if the governments around the world trying to legislate backdoors while their intelligence agencies keep creating them anyway, exposing us all to criminals, including them.

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Yet it's completely inconceivable that a certain country hacked another country's election. Right. ;)

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The worst part if the governments around the world trying to legislate backdoors while their intelligence agencies keep creating them anyway, exposing us all to criminals, including them.


The Vault 7 stuff that Wikileaks is exposing is sickening. It's bad enough that the CIA puts deliberate faults in electronics that can be exploited, but the fact that they allowed this technology out so any asshole can find it and use it against regular people is absolutely sickening.

These spy agencies need to be kept in check somehow. They've become a public danger.

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xdisciplex wrote:
The worst part if the governments around the world trying to legislate backdoors while their intelligence agencies keep creating them anyway, exposing us all to criminals, including them.


The Vault 7 stuff that Wikileaks is exposing is sickening. It's bad enough that the CIA puts deliberate faults in electronics that can be exploited, but the fact that they allowed this technology out so any asshole can find it and use it against regular people is absolutely sickening.

These spy agencies need to be kept in check somehow. They've become a public danger.


I couldn't agree more :cheers:

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Facebook Exposed - "You" Are The Product
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Well there's an earth shattering revelation... :lol:

You are the product on EVERY free service out there.

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Paying Professors: Inside Google’s Academic Influence Campaign
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Google is becoming too political.

Being a large, monopolistic corporation is bad enough, but when you try to socially engineer the public more than politicians could ever dream of, it becomes a huge problem.

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Google is becoming too political.

Being a large, monopolistic corporation is bad enough, but when you try to socially engineer the public more than politicians could ever dream of, it becomes a huge problem.


BIG +1

Google is proof that old-school anti-trust laws need to make a comeback.

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Blackjebus wrote:
Google is becoming too political.

Being a large, monopolistic corporation is bad enough, but when you try to socially engineer the public more than politicians could ever dream of, it becomes a huge problem.


BIG +1

Google is proof that old-school anti-trust laws need to make a comeback.


Actually I'm still surprised the EU went after them. google is their ideological ally.


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Domsen wrote:
verbalsniper wrote:
Blackjebus wrote:
Google is becoming too political.

Being a large, monopolistic corporation is bad enough, but when you try to socially engineer the public more than politicians could ever dream of, it becomes a huge problem.


BIG +1

Google is proof that old-school anti-trust laws need to make a comeback.


Actually I'm still surprised the EU went after them. google is their ideological ally.



Europe in general has much better /stronger privacy regulations than the US.

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Europe in general has much better /stronger privacy regulations than the US.



Yeah a bit. But you know this wasn't about privacy. I wished that would've been the case.
The case was about their manipulated search results.


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Europe in general has much better /stronger privacy regulations than the US.



Yeah a bit. But you know this wasn't about privacy. I wished that would've been the case.
The case was about their manipulated search results.



Yeah, but part of the larger struggle against European citizens being abused by US tech companies. They do not shy away from getting into these huge fights and handing out huge fines - unlike the governments on this side of the ocean.

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verbalsniper wrote:
Domsen wrote:
verbalsniper wrote:
Europe in general has much better /stronger privacy regulations than the US.



Yeah a bit. But you know this wasn't about privacy. I wished that would've been the case.
The case was about their manipulated search results.



Yeah, but part of the larger struggle against European citizens being abused by US tech companies. They do not shy away from getting into these huge fights and handing out huge fines - unlike the governments on this side of the ocean.


Sure, but that wasn't here the case. ;)

Actually the EU has more or less given up about going against the big guys, so I'm still surprised.


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the courts ruled that corporations are the same as people and as such have first ammendment rights. there should be no problem with them being politcal, oh wait, they're liberals? NO FAIR!!!

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the courts ruled that corporations are the same as people and as such have first ammendment rights. there should be no problem with them being politcal, oh wait, they're liberals? NO FAIR!!!



Which is why google censors also many left wing pages :stupider:


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no fair!!!! waaaaah.

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That wasn't irony.


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the courts ruled that corporations are the same as people and as such have first ammendment rights.


And nobody has a problem with that. After all, people can choose to support them or take their business elsewhere.

However, when a company becomes a large monopoly and THEN gets political, it poses a huge problem.

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when their politics don't align with your own.

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phencyclidine wrote:
the courts ruled that corporations are the same as people and as such have first ammendment rights.


And nobody has a problem with that. After all, people can choose to support them or take their business elsewhere.

However, when a company becomes a large monopoly and THEN gets political, it poses a huge problem.



That's why they have been punished by the EU. They used their market position to push "fake" search results. They positioned the search results of the people that paid them the most money on top. Poor google is now rid of soooooome money. Which isn't even enough for them.
Poor monopolists. Poor guys.


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