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All the bitching about power prices and blaming Wynne are founded on Harris' Energy Competition Act.

But hey, blame the dyke, because women. :fit:


That may be the case, but it's not really going to work to blame something from 20 years ago (whose myth has already been made) when they have someone they don't like right there in front of them. Maybe it isn't fair, but it's more than peoples' power bills - it just looks like they are sick of her, more than her party.

If her party stays with her, they'll be trounced. It's like with Hollande in France - too far gone to ever come back. Macron was in his party, but bailed out on it because that brand was just too damaged. Opportunistic move, but it worked.

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Thoughts on Omar Khadr anyone?

Should he have received a whopping 10.5 million dollar payout while the wife of the US medic he killed got a measly 300k?

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Thoughts on Omar Khadr anyone?

Should he have received a whopping 10.5 million dollar payout while the wife of the US medic he killed got a measly 300k?


Trudeau's comments on it were spot on. There is a rule of law and previous Canadian governments ignored it to punish him without trial or evidence. He was never treated fairly or in accordance to Canadian law. How much he got is irrelevant, the fact he won is important. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau ... -1.4196183

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"The Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects all Canadians, every one of us, even when it is uncomfortable. This is not about the details or merits of the Khadr case. When the government violates any Canadian's Charter rights we all end up paying for it," he told reporters in Hamburg, where he's wrapping up the G20 summit.


And civil law being what it is in the US, he'll most certainly lose that and file for bankruptcy, because the US violated his law and forced him to plead guilty in order to get out of over a decade of detainment and torture. The US broke the law, Canada didn't argue or defend it's citizen, Canada pays for it. Seems fair...

This post is a great summary of my thoughts, with this quote being #1:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 982&type=3

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As a Canadian, what do you stand for? Do you believe that you, as a Canadian, have the right to be presumed innocent, until proven guilty, as well as the right to a fair and quick trial? I know this is hard for many of you to consider without jumping to "oh, but he's a terrorist, so fuck him, he's a traitor and doesn't deserve anything", but we'll get to that in a minute. Seriously consider this. Do you believe you have, as a Canadian, the inalienable right to everything laid out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?


And this one as well I shared on Facebook. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/omar-kh ... -1.4189472

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"The deprivation of [Khadr's] right to liberty and security of the person is not in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice," the court ruled.

"The interrogation of a youth detained without access to counsel, to elicit statements about serious criminal charges while knowing that the youth had been subjected to sleep deprivation and while knowing that the fruits of the interrogations would be shared with the prosecutors, offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects."

Omar Khadr stands as a reminder that the unjust treatment of a person — any person — can prove very costly.

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Thoughts on Omar Khadr anyone?


They should not have paid him any money. The Canadian government made a mistake here. It sets a bad precedent - namely that Canada should pay for America's misconduct.

That may not be the official reason given (they will talk about CSIS and Foreign Affairs not doing enough to protect his rights), but when you take the long view of this issue, that's what it amounts to.

Pre-2001 Khadr's family was saved by the Government of Canada because Khadr Sr. was going to die in some Pakistani prison, and his family begged GoC to get him out. The GoC pulled a lot of strings to get him out, but Khadr's ingratitude afterwards extended to going right back into Al Qaida activity (against Afghanistan, the US, NATO, and Canada) even though it meant betraying the life debt their patriarch owed to Canada.

For that betrayal alone, they should tell the Khadr family to go hang, or even hang the couple of them (mom and sis) who keep spouting jihadi ideology after having run back to Canada to do it.

None of that background Omar Khadr's fault. His family were jihadi screwballs, and raised him that way; only his 2nd oldest brother had to guts to break from his own family and give up the jihadi life, for which they disowned him. Omar was basically left behind to be martyred at some Al Qaida camp - which he defended in combat like a good little (brainwashed) soldier.

Those US soldiers knew none of this when they fought against the little spud and riddled him with bullets. But when he begged them for a quick death in English, they decided they would keep him alive for the purposes of "enhanced interrogation" (torture). Well, as it turns out, AQ are not so stupid as to trust important secrets to a 15 year old, so on that score, Uncle Sam struck out.

All the legal shit (including Khadr being tortured to confess) that came later was just the usual thing the USA does - putting people on trial for the "crime" of opposing them. Naturally, Al Qaida are not a legitimate army, but this was a combatant force, not a street gang being arrested by the LAPD.

The US government decided that it wanted to make an example of Khadr, mainly to defend their right to intervene and put people on trial under their own authority, and to defend the Guantanamo torture camp as having some legally justifiable purpose, beyond just torturing people for information.

They kept maintaining Khadr was too dangerous to ever be let out - a weak excuse if there ever was one. If that was the case, why not just summarily execute him?

While the US were still holding Khadr, they released a number of hardcore adult terrorists from Guantanamo, but those were traded to the Saudis and so on, who promised these guys would get some sort of counselling to keep them from rejoining the jihadi cause (which of course they all did).

And there's the mistake Canada made - spending years not asserting control over Omar Khadr, like they should have all along. The Libs were too timid to demand it, and the Cons simply wanted Khadr to go on suffering in Guantanamo, so they did not try to get him back until the SCC forced them to.

Well what you get after all that muddled thinking is this mess:
An absurd payment that lets the US off the hook for the high-handed way they assume they have to right to act as the chief prosecutors over all nations (and never be prosecuted themselves).



And one last thing: if you'll notice, the very same "patriotic" loudmouths who denounce this Khadr payment as "sympathizing with a terrorist" happen to be the same party who most eagerly support the selling of arms to the Saudis, and support the overthrow of Syria's government by none other than Al Qaida.

Hypocrites.



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Should he have received a whopping 10.5 million dollar payout while the wife of the US medic he killed got a measly 300k?


II heard it was $ 300 M, not K.

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Svarog wrote:
Thoughts on Omar Khadr anyone?


They should not have paid him any money. The Canadian government made a mistake here. It sets a bad precedent - namely that Canada should pay for America's misconduct.

That may not be the official reason given (they will talk about CSIS and Foreign Affairs not doing enough to protect his rights), but when you take the long view of this issue, that's what it amounts to.

Pre-2001 Khadr's family was saved by the Government of Canada because Khadr Sr. was going to die in some Pakistani prison, and his family begged GoC to get him out. The GoC pulled a lot of strings to get him out, but Khadr's ingratitude afterwards extended to going right back into Al Qaida activity (against Afghanistan, the US, NATO, and Canada) even though it meant betraying the life debt their patriarch owed to Canada.

For that betrayal alone, they should tell the Khadr family to go hang, or even hang the couple of them (mom and sis) who keep spouting jihadi ideology after having run back to Canada to do it.

None of that background Omar Khadr's fault. His family were jihadi screwballs, and raised him that way; only his 2nd oldest brother had to guts to break from his own family and give up the jihadi life, for which they disowned him. Omar was basically left behind to be martyred at some Al Qaida camp - which he defended in combat like a good little (brainwashed) soldier.

Those US soldiers knew none of this when they fought against the little spud and riddled him with bullets. But when he begged them for a quick death in English, they decided they would keep him alive for the purposes of "enhanced interrogation" (torture). Well, as it turns out, AQ are not so stupid as to trust important secrets to a 15 year old, so on that score, Uncle Sam struck out.

All the legal shit (including Khadr being tortured to confess) that came later was just the usual thing the USA does - putting people on trial for the "crime" of opposing them. Naturally, Al Qaida are not a legitimate army, but this was a combatant force, not a street gang being arrested by the LAPD.

The US government decided that it wanted to make an example of Khadr, mainly to defend their right to intervene and put people on trial under their own authority, and to defend the Guantanamo torture camp as having some legally justifiable purpose, beyond just torturing people for information.

They kept maintaining Khadr was too dangerous to ever be let out - a weak excuse if there ever was one. If that was the case, why not just summarily execute him?

While the US were still holding Khadr, they released a number of hardcore adult terrorists from Guantanamo, but those were traded to the Saudis and so on, who promised these guys would get some sort of counselling to keep them from rejoining the jihadi cause (which of course they all did).

And there's the mistake Canada made - spending years not asserting control over Omar Khadr, like they should have all along. The Libs were too timid to demand it, and the Cons simply wanted Khadr to go on suffering in Guantanamo, so they did not try to get him back until the SCC forced them to.

Well what you get after all that muddled thinking is this mess:
An absurd payment that lets the US off the hook for the high-handed way they assume they have to right to act as the chief prosecutors over all nations (and never be prosecuted themselves).



And one last thing: if you'll notice, the very same "patriotic" loudmouths who denounce this Khadr payment as "sympathizing with a terrorist" happen to be the same party who most eagerly support the selling of arms to the Saudis, and support the overthrow of Syria's government by none other than Al Qaida.

Hypocrites.



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Should he have received a whopping 10.5 million dollar payout while the wife of the US medic he killed got a measly 300k?


II heard it was $ 300 M, not K.


I try and look at this objectively rather than employing emotions. The medic Khadr supposedly killed was a soldier, and a part of an illegal invasion of another country (Afghanistan) by the US military. Khadr was 8 when he was brought to Afghanistan and did what he was told as a child soldier. During the incident - the compound Khadr was in was bombed. The US soldiers didn't think anyone would survive. As soon as they saw survivors - Khadr and another man - they shot at them rather than take them as POWs which is a violation of the Geneva Convention. How exactly would you react if the place you were at was destroyed by bombs and you were hiding in the rubble fearing people who came in with the intent to murder you?

So let's say Khadr threw that grenade. Would you argue that perhaps he may have had the right to do so in order to defend his life - regardless of whether the person who was aiming the rifle at him was a medic or had another occupation? Makes no fucking difference. Khadr could have easily been killed. Perhaps any of us would have done exactly the same. When he says he doesn't remember much of the incident - this isn't at all surprising. When you get bombed and see your fellow men die, and then get shot IN THE BACK twice - the memory is so stressful that the brain tends to block everything associated with it. If he really threw that grenade - it should be noted that he did so out of fear for his life, and that he fought with the Taliban believing he was defending his country against an invader. I am sure if USA invaded Canada - many of us, Canadians would be doing exactly the same thing.

Another, very important issue is that the eyewitness testimony in Khadr's case is incredibly sketchy and on top of this - comprises the ONLY EVIDENCE of what he did. Worst of all - no one DIRECTLY WITNESSED Khadr throw that grenade. The only reason they thought it must have been him was because they thought he was the only person left alive in the compound. And yet - even that is not a fact, the testimony that Khadr was the only person alive in the compound at the time the hand grenade was thrown was retracted by the eyewitness in favour of a much less clear statement.

In short - Khadr's case WOULD NEVER HOLD WATER IN A REAL TRANSPARENT COURT. This is exactly why he was charged under military law and tried in a closed court - a witch hunt trial which would have found ANYONE guilty if the USA politicians wanted it to do so. On top of this, Khadr's confession was extracted under extreme psychological pressure, possibly even torture. And, of course, instead of trying to have him deported to Canada the Canadian government decided to interrogate him further and left him in a facility they themselves openly condemned for violation of civil rights.

So why is it that people are so surprised that Khadr won the lawsuit? Would you rather live in a country where there are no transparent courts and anyone can be labelled a terrorist, prosecuted and automatically found guilty? Would you rather live in Canada in which the civil rights aren't worth the paper they were written on and in which there is no recourse if they are violated? Or do you want Khadr to become an exception from the rules simply because of his Afghani origins? Sure, I don't feel easy about it, but a feeling cannot be used in place of logic and reasoning.

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I try and look at this objectively rather than employing emotions. The medic Khadr supposedly killed was a soldier, and a part of an illegal invasion of another country (Afghanistan) by the US military. Khadr was 8 when he was brought to Afghanistan and did what he was told as a child soldier. During the incident - the compound Khadr was in was bombed. The US soldiers didn't think anyone would survive. As soon as they saw survivors - Khadr and another man - they shot at them rather than take them as POWs which is a violation of the Geneva Convention. How exactly would you react if the place you were at was destroyed by bombs and you were hiding in the rubble fearing people who came in with the intent to murder you?

So let's say Khadr threw that grenade. Would you argue that perhaps he may have had the right to do so in order to defend his life - regardless of whether the person who was aiming the rifle at him was a medic or had another occupation? Makes no fucking difference. Khadr could have easily been killed. Perhaps any of us would have done exactly the same. When he says he doesn't remember much of the incident - this isn't at all surprising. When you get bombed and see your fellow men die, and then get shot IN THE BACK twice - the memory is so stressful that the brain tends to block everything associated with it. If he really threw that grenade - it should be noted that he did so out of fear for his life, and that he fought with the Taliban believing he was defending his country against an invader. I am sure if USA invaded Canada - many of us, Canadians would be doing exactly the same thing.

Another, very important issue is that the eyewitness testimony in Khadr's case is incredibly sketchy and on top of this - comprises the ONLY EVIDENCE of what he did. Worst of all - no one DIRECTLY WITNESSED Khadr throw that grenade. The only reason they thought it must have been him was because they thought he was the only person left alive in the compound. And yet - even that is not a fact, the testimony that Khadr was the only person alive in the compound at the time the hand grenade was thrown was retracted by the eyewitness in favour of a much less clear statement.

In short - Khadr's case WOULD NEVER HOLD WATER IN A REAL TRANSPARENT COURT. This is exactly why he was charged under military law and tried in a closed court - a witch hunt trial which would have found ANYONE guilty if the USA politicians wanted it to do so. On top of this, Khadr's confession was extracted under extreme psychological pressure, possibly even torture. And, of course, instead of trying to have him deported to Canada the Canadian government decided to interrogate him further and left him in a facility they themselves openly condemned for violation of civil rights.

So why is it that people are so surprised that Khadr won the lawsuit? Would you rather live in a country where there are no transparent courts and anyone can be labelled a terrorist, prosecuted and automatically found guilty? Would you rather live in Canada in which the civil rights aren't worth the paper they were written on and in which there is no recourse if they are violated? Or do you want Khadr to become an exception from the rules simply because of his Afghani origins? Sure, I don't feel easy about it, but a feeling cannot be used in place of logic and reasoning.



Well, regarding what you stated, I will state this in reply:

- I would not get to calling the US (+ etc.) invasion of Afghanistan. The Taliban regime that governed most of the country at that point was never recognized as a legitimate government by anyone except Saudi Arabia and Pakistan (for the Taliban was their creation). In any case, having been attacked on 9/11 by Al Qaida (and prior to that AQ had publicly declared an official war against the US), the US was about as justified in militarily crushing them as they ever could be. This is notwithstanding America's foolish pre-9/11 policy of trying to work with the Taliban despite them being an outgrowth of Al Qaida ideology.

- As for Khadr on the battlefield, I will say the US criminal case is an absurd one. It was combat. Khadr, a 15 year old child soldier defended his AQ camp, and the US soldiers (even the so-called "medic" were a combat unit attacking it. That was enough to say both sides were legitimately trying to kill each other. It does not matter who did or did not throw a grenade, just like it does not matter which US soldier was also medic and which wasn't. It is unit versus unit - individuality has no place there. "Did someone witness Khadr throw the grenade", "was Khadr only 15?", "was the dead US soldier a medic" - these questions are only relevant for circumstances after combat is done, not during.
Example: On D-Day, Canadian soldiers did not only shoot at Germans who were clearly shooting at them; they shot at all of them. And the Germans didn't make any effort to not kill the Canadian medics. Some of those German soldiers were even Hitler Youth/junior SS fighters, just as much children as Khadr was, and they were just as willing to fight as he had been. Every German soldier, and every Canadian soldier, was engaged in battle. Subsequent war crimes (and some did occur) involved the killing of those who had surrendered and were already captive.

- Therefore, I think it is a mistake that Canada legitimizes in any way the US trying to make a court case out of it all, with witnesses, charges, legal liabilities for the accused. Hell, even calling Khadr "the accused" or "a suspect" is a concession to the idea that this was a criminal incident not a military battle.

- Of course, Khadr being treated as a criminal suspect tortured and then put on trial, by a power which actually does not have legitimate legal jurisdiction over him, would never hold up in a real impartial and transparent court. But this is the US we are talking about; this kangaroo court of theirs was always about protecting the impunity of the George W. Bush regime, not really about justice or security or even punishing this one particular jihadi.

- How then to deal with a 15 year old terrorist ? Well, if after all this, the kid shows any sign of still wanting to return to combat operations for AQ, kill him. If not, if he's just some dumb brainwashed kid who got fed into an AQ war machine as cannon fodder and now wants nothing to do with it, then they can release him. That is just a judgement call - a calculated risk. Too risky? See option 1: "death".

And Khadr he was treated wrongly as a captive of the Americans - denied the protections of a POW, etc. - then it is the Americans and nobody else who should pay. Certainly not Canada, certainly not in sympathy for what Khadr went through. What Khadr went through first and foremost is the fault of his own family, his father and mother, who sent him into the jihadi meat-grinder expecting him to be martyred. Second of all, the fault of the US which acts as a lawless rogue state whenever it feels it's politically convenient to do so.

But the lawsuits - by Khadr or the by the widow Speer? Fucking absurd !
That's war rebranded as an exercise in phony morality and ambulance-chasing.

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Speaking of terrorism, has anyone else noticed this article from Postmedia yesterday?

http://special.nationalpost.com/syria-exodus/abid

Here you can see that the right wing media, while they are busy condemning the Khadr payout, are also trying to generate sympathy for this jihadi and his jihadi causes.

Jihadbro is a member of the Al-Qaida affiliate Ahrar Al-Sham, and got shot by a member of the Syrian army while fighting against Assad.


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A year and a half ago Borhun and fellow members of the Ahrar al-Sham rebel group prepared to launch a nighttime assault on a hilltop held by Syrian army soldiers in Idlib province, in northern Syria.

They prayed together, attacked and took the hill, he says. And then, crouching in a too-shallow trench, the sniper’s bullet pierced his neck. “I tried to scream but no sound came out,” Borhun says.

... And as for Syria, he hopes for victory. ... “I want Islam to spread,” he says. “No matter what country, I want Islam to spread.”



Makes for a very "sympathetic" tale, does it? Canadians are supposed to lament this guy's fate, eh? We are told by the article, pretty point-blank, that this jihadi should be thought of as one of the "good guys". Thanks, for that Postmedia - way to "manage" our outrage.

And that, folks, is why the butthurt of phony patriots should always be ignored.

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This is hilarious - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.4139636

Alberta NDP government says BC cannot lay exclusive claim to the coast and must let Alberta use it for commerce. By that logic then, Alberta cna't lay exclusive claim to the tarsands and owes the rest of the country a hell of a lot of cash, no? Her own argument is that the country has a commitment to each component (province & territory), so, where's the cash?

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And another good Khadr read - https://www.facebook.com/troy.hoyt2/pos ... 4148410891

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Her own argument is that the country has a commitment to each component (province & territory), so, where's the cash?


The cash for resource extraction from any province is shared with other provinces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalizat ... _in_Canada

Alberta pays billions of dollars every year in equalization payments to the less wealthy provinces. BC - due to their massive forestry and coal mining industries - are net contributors to equalization as well.

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On a side note - I would be surprised if BC's government holds together past Christmas this year. They have such a razor-thin margin over the opposition it's gotta be scary.

Just one late ferry or one MLA at a dentist appointment during a critical vote can cause the entire government to dissolve and trigger another election.

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This is hilarious - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.4139636

Alberta NDP government says BC cannot lay exclusive claim to the coast and must let Alberta use it for commerce. By that logic then, Alberta cna't lay exclusive claim to the tarsands and owes the rest of the country a hell of a lot of cash, no? Her own argument is that the country has a commitment to each component (province & territory), so, where's the cash?



Yup. Alberta thinks of BC as it's own junkyard, and those federal cunts will never intervene to protect BC from Alberta dumping all their problems here. We take the risks, but Albertans and other easterners get the money from that risk.

Ottawa looks to "western Canada", but sees only Calgary. They are wilfully blind to anything beyond the Rockies - either blind or just plain hostile.

9 years of the Harper government was 9 years of total contempt for BC values and abuse of BC citizens. Well, we are done with accepting Albertan rule, or any concept of western Canada that is centered on what Albertans want. This Liberals make the mistake of thinking they can do the same thing with only a change of style, not substance.

But BC does not need them - our economy is not beholden to Alberta's petroleum industry. There is no love here for the federal government, which is known more for cutting off the services that we are due, and denying BC any influence on national affairs.

This coast belonged to BC as a separate crown colony, before Confederation even happened. When we joined it, we certainly did not sign over our rights to our own land & seas, so that it can be destroyed for the benefit of others.

We do not bow to the Premier of Alberta. We do not owe anything to Calgary. And without the might of Canada's largest port, where would their plans for trade with the Asia-Pacific region go? Right into the trash.

So they do not get to dictate terms to us. They do not get to demand that BC betray its fundamental values and destroy its own future, just to benefit a greedy neighbour that has always used BC as a dumping ground for its problems.

If the federal government thinks they can force BC to eat toxins so that Albertans can go on acting like the pampered brats they are, we'll make them both choke on those intentions.

They clearly need a reminder of BC's real power within Canada - a forceful one. So I welcome conflict between BC and Alberta.

Time to teach them a lesson: Nobody rules BC except BC.

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On a side note - I would be surprised if BC's government holds together past Christmas this year. They have such a razor-thin margin over the opposition it's gotta be scary.

Just one late ferry or one MLA at a dentist appointment during a critical vote can cause the entire government to dissolve and trigger another election.



No doubt, they are going to be on a precipice at all times. The opposition will always be trying to trip them up with procedures too.

I doubt that will blow up all that soon, but I don't think they can last a full 4 years, and it would be a mistake to try. Each party should clearly stake out ground where they agree, but also where they can openly disagree, so they don't muck up the agenda with issues that would be better off being deferred.

In the end, they need to get working on a few critical items and achievable goals which they can agree on - act with decisive minimalism, and not become too grandiose in their ambitions.

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They clearly need a reminder of BC's real power within Canada - a forceful one. So I welcome conflict between BC and Alberta.

Time to teach them a lesson: Nobody rules BC except BC.


This infighting between provinces is the attitude that prevents Canada from ever becoming a truly great country.

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Interesting double standards - Trudeau fired two male Liberal members of Parliament who were accused (but not charged with) unwelcome sexual advances. But he remains silent on the new Governor General appointee who was charged with assault (later dropped).

How much you want to bet if it had been a male Governor General appointee who had been charged with assault, that the candidate wouldn't proceed?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau- ... -1.4212817

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Interesting double standards - Trudeau fired two male Liberal members of Parliament who were accused (but not charged with) unwelcome sexual advances. But he remains silent on the new Governor General appointee who was charged with assault (later dropped).

How much you want to bet if it had been a male Governor General appointee who had been charged with assault, that the candidate wouldn't proceed?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau- ... -1.4212817


Nobody has it harder than the modern North American woman. They are heroes, and you should be impressed by their courage and beauty.

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Thoughts on Omar Khadr anyone?

Should he have received a whopping 10.5 million dollar payout while the wife of the US medic he killed got a measly 300k?


I think he should have been told officially to fuck off.

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Nobody has it harder than the modern North American woman. They are heroes, and you should be impressed by their courage and beauty.


Do I still have to be impressed by their beauty if they over-eat, avoid exercise, don't wear makeup, don't shave, don't care about their looks and resemble Rob Ford in drag?

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Exorcist wrote:
Nobody has it harder than the modern North American woman. They are heroes, and you should be impressed by their courage and beauty.


Do I still have to be impressed by their beauty if they over-eat, avoid exercise, don't wear makeup, don't shave, don't care about their looks and resemble Rob Ford in drag?


ESPECIALLY in that case! Doubly so if he has a penis and thinks he's a woman.

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Exorcist wrote:
Nobody has it harder than the modern North American woman. They are heroes, and you should be impressed by their courage and beauty.


Do I still have to be impressed by their beauty if they over-eat, avoid exercise, don't wear makeup, don't shave, don't care about their looks and resemble Rob Ford in drag?


That is called being courageous and brave.


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That reminds me: How's your sister doing Durkin?

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Elizabeth May on Khadr (mostly the Conservative response to it) is amazing.

https://www.hilltimes.com/2017/07/17/gp ... ent/113788

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“If you’re prepared to pull Canada into the kind of cesspool politics of the U.S., sure, it’s fair game. But if we want to have a country where the people who hold elected office have a minimum standard of respect for the rule of law, then it’s not,” said Ms. May.


The polling results mentioned further in the story are a revolting snapshot of how far the country has strayed and what people deem to be acceptable is beyond belief. Shameful really.

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I don't really feel like getting into the whole debate, but the long and short of it is that I agree with xdx when it comes to Khadr.

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And why the fuck should my tax dollars go to this asshole?


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