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As the world turns.


30 Aug 2018, 14:27
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2018 now worst fire season on record:
Close to 13,000 sq km of province has burned, breaking record set in 2017


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/state-emergency-bc-wildfires-1.4803546

And realize that things will get worse, not better.



I know a few old loggers that moved to Alberta when the work dried up, who said forest fires would get worse due to the armchair environmentalist hippies who helped outlaw clear-cutting. They were correct. Fires used to be easier to contain when loggers were allowed to chop down everything on a mountain side years before it could catch on fire or get eaten by pine beetles. Old logging practices created fire breaks between forests, but hippies complained because logged patches look "ugly".

Some of the forests that burned today should have been either logged or let to naturally burn through 15-20 years ago, like they used to. Instead we have a system where natural burn/regrowth processes aren't allowed to occur, and neither is logging, so forest fuel just accumulates decade-over-decade until it reaches the point where there is no hope of stopping it if a spark hits it.

A busload of hunters, fishermen, and loggers know more about environmentalism and ecological sustainability than all of the liberal dinks in Vancouver.

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Yes, how silly... clear cutting solves forest fires. Why didn't we think of that? :stupid:


This looks rad:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace ... 9676012e21

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30 Aug 2018, 16:28
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Actually, clearing out a buffer between residential areas and forests is a proven way to mitigate forest fire-related damages to inhabited areas.

Of course, simple education would solve most forest fire woes. Example, California:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180962315/

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30 Aug 2018, 17:53
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A fire gap and clear cutting are two immensely different things. But you know that. Right?

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30 Aug 2018, 20:04
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Just 10 years after building it, the Doomsday Vault is already under threat from climate change. It was built in what was thought to be one of the safest places on the planet from change. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-22/d ... e/10291928

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Norwegian Polar Institute international director Kim Holmen said the pace of climate change in the Arctic was dramatic.

"We are seeing temperatures going up, the winter time temperatures tremendously. We see less ice on the ocean, no ice at all on the fjords when there should be," he said.

"We see snow melting earlier in the spring, glaciers thinning, eco-systems changing.

"If you doubt that climate is changing, please visit the Arctic.

"It is changing very much here, consistently warming. The only explanation that my scientific understanding can find today is that it is due to human-induced change of the atmosphere."

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A fire gap and clear cutting are two immensely different things. But you know that. Right?



Nope, they don't. Or rather, they refuse to.

They'd rather just say that fire is caused by trees existing, not the fact that humans have changed the world to the point where they can do little else but watch the trees burn, and pray their houses aren't next.

By the way:
You can also thank the mountain pine beetle for such catastrophic fires. Huge stands of once-healthy trees are dead and dry.

Normally this invasive species should be suppressed by being killed off by the long, deep cold of winter. That's no longer happening.

But where has that deep cold gone?

Global warming, that's where.

Facts 2, conservative excuse-making: 0.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire-insects-disturbances/top-insects/13381

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You can also thank the mountain pine beetle for such catastrophic fires. Huge stands of once-healthy trees are dead and dry.

Normally this invasive species should be suppressed by being killed off by the long, deep cold of winter.


And pine beetles are also killed and stopped from spreading due to natural forest fires (which we stopped allowing to happen around 30 years ago).

Forest mismanagement is the entire reason for these bigger forest fires over these last few summers. Hot, dry weather in the summer isn't a new phenomenon.

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A bunch of news this week, here's a small taste.

The head of Shell points out reforestation has to play part of our plan to reduce temperatures and emissions. Obviously, he's right. Land clearing rates in Australia are nuts and in the Amazon it's not slowed much. In Canada thousands of hectares have been cleared in Alberta alone for the tar sands. We need to replace trees we've cut down with new ones. For all the talk of expensive carbon capture and storage schemes, trees are the simplest, most effective and affordable options. https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nge-target

Even the Minerals Council of Australia, which represents the big (and small) coal miners "acknowledges that sustained global action is required to reduce the risks of human-induced climate change and supports a measured transition to a low emissions global economy" as investment in new coal infrastructure continues to dry up and analysts point out coal demand peaked a few years ago. https://www.smh.com.au/environment/clim ... 508nk.html

And Australia's newest Environment Minister says IPCC got it wrong, though admits she hasn't read the report, she just knows deep down it must be wrong, so fuck you we're sticking with coal even though Energy is someone else's portfolio since the latest PM came in. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-09/e ... w/10354604

:stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:

It never ends.

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10 Oct 2018, 03:15
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If we ever move away from fossil fuels we will need a lot more innovation like this:

https://phys.org/news/2018-10-excess-ne ... power.html

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If we ever move away from fossil fuels we will need a lot more innovation like this:

https://phys.org/news/2018-10-excess-ne ... power.html


You mean when the transition finishes in the next 10-20 years. There's no if, it's already happening on a massive scale.

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11 Oct 2018, 06:17
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You are nuts. There is no "transition".

I bet in 10-20 years there will be more cars on roads than there are today, and more oil being extracted to fuel all those cars. Coal power will still form the base power load for most countries that already use coal now.

Supplementing our current fossil fuel energy use with renewable energy (like solar and wind) just encourages people and companies to keep using more energy. That is what's happening.

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You are nuts. There is no "transition".


:spit:

aaaand we're done

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11 Oct 2018, 15:16
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OK - keep pretending that wind and solar power *aren't* merely supplementing current fossil fuel use instead of replacing it.

Just stick your head in the sand and pretend that the world *isn't* currently using more fossil fuels than ever.

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Anyone: *facts*

XDX: And we're done

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There is no transition is a fact? That's blatantly false when countries around the world are doing exactly that. There is a transition.

If you argue that fact you're as foolish as him.

Unless you can present an actual fact, still done.

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12 Oct 2018, 19:25
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Interesting that the US had a drop in carbon emissions even with pulling out of the Paris Agreement and low and behold those who criticized them the most (China and Canada) increases their emissions. Go figure.

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Despite all these big green energy projects and initiatives taken all over the world, the world's consumption and demand for fossil fuel energy is higher than it has ever been in history.

Adding more renewable energy to the existing energy infrastructure isn't a "transition". It's just supplemental.

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(Translation)
Due to climate changes, new species, among which is the Opossum, immigrate to Quebec.

Raccoon: As long as they aren't too numerous!
Porcupine: As long as they speak french!
Skunk: RACISTS! XENOPHOBES!


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Interesting that the US had a drop in carbon emissions even with pulling out of the Paris Agreement and low and behold those who criticized them the most (China and Canada) increases their emissions. Go figure.


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In the U.S., the increase in renewables has been driven in part by increasing pressure on utility companies to reduce emissions


That and it's largely a state-based approach that is dropping emissions, not federal policies. https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/u.s. ... ing-behind

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Actually, clearing out a buffer between residential areas and forests is a proven way to mitigate forest fire-related damages to inhabited areas.


it also provided a buffer between the Wildlings and the Crows defending the Wall.


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(Translation)
Due to climate changes, new species, among which is the Opossum, immigrate to Quebec.

Raccoon: As long as they aren't too numerous!
Porcupine: As long as they speak french!
Skunk: RACISTS! XENOPHOBES!

does this have a point

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you can't brutalize immigrants anymore without some asshole skunk calling you a racist.

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oooh but i wanna!

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Bill Gates brings the logic:

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/My-pl ... ate-change

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Making electricity is responsible for only 25% of all greenhouse gas emissions each year. So even if we could generate all the electricity we need without emitting a single molecule of greenhouse gases (which we’re a long way from doing), we would cut total emissions by just a quarter.


He mentions all major industries that need to change in order to phase out emissions from fossil fuels:
- Electricity (25%)
- Agriculture (24%)
- Manufacturing (21%)
- Transportation (14%)
- Buildings (6%)
- Miscellaneous (10%) - mostly fossil fuel extraction

Windmills and solar panels do fuck all in the grand scheme of things. Every single industry we rely on for literally everything needs to be completely revolutionized.

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