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He crossed that border and put on the ICE jacket a long time ago.


13 Jun 2018, 15:04
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The Antarctic ice sheet has lost more than 2,500 billion tonnes of ice in the past 25 years and nearly half of that has happened since 2012.

An international team of polar scientists found that melting in Antarctica has jumped sharply from an average of 76 billion tonnes per year prior to 2012, to around 219 billion tonnes each year between 2012 and 2017.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018 ... se/9859828

But the pope commented on it, so it must not be true. Just like everything else the pope talks about. Or something.

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Lol jebus.


13 Jun 2018, 22:22
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Since when is the fucking pope a scientific expert?



He's not, but he listens to them, unlike you and your climate-science-denying heroes.

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The final draft report from the UN’s intergovernmental panel on climate change (IPCC) was due for publication in October. It is the guiding scientific document for what countries must do to combat climate change.

Human-induced warming would exceed 1.5C by about 2040 if emissions continued at their present rate, the report found, but countries could keep warming below that level if they made “rapid and far-reaching” changes.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... al-warming

More from McKibben (350.org) on the pope's meeting with oil execs & comments on climate change - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... check-pope

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What’s really “worrying”, though, “is the continued search for new fossil fuel reserves, whereas the Paris agreement clearly urged keeping most fossil fuels underground”. And in that small sentence he calls the bluff on most of what passes for climate action among nations and among fossil fuel companies. Yes, Donald Trump notwithstanding, most countries have begun to take some steps to reduce demand for energy over time. Yes, oil companies have begun to grudgingly issue “climate risk reports” and divert minuscule percentages of their research budgets to renewables.

But no one has been willing to face the fact that we have to leave more than 80% of known fossil fuel reserves underground if we have any chance of meeting the Paris targets. No company has been willing to commit to leaving the coal and oil and gas in the earth, and almost no nation has been willing to make them do so. Instead, the big fossil fuel countries continue to aid and abet the big fossil fuel companies in the push for more mining and drilling. In Australia, the Turnbull government backs a massive new coalmine; in Canada, the Trudeau government literally buys a pipeline to keep the tar sands expanding; in the US, the federal government might as well be a wholly owned subsidiary of the fossil fuel companies.

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Does the IPCC still fabricate data to get the results they hope for, or did they stop doing that when they got caught last time?

Also, have ANY of their past predictions come true?

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Since when is the fucking pope a scientific expert?



He's not, but he listens to them, unlike you and your climate-science-denying heroes.


I don't deny science, I deny the liars that play up doomsday scenarios just so they have an excuse to redistribute wealth through sketchy "eco-friendly" schemes.

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Does the IPCC still fabricate data to get the results they hope for, or did they stop doing that when they got caught last time?

Also, have ANY of their past predictions come true?



They never fabricated anything. Repeating your previous lies does not make them magically come true.

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Since when is the fucking pope a scientific expert?



He's not, but he listens to them, unlike you and your climate-science-denying heroes.


I don't deny science, I deny the liars that play up doomsday scenarios just so they have an excuse to redistribute wealth through sketchy "eco-friendly" schemes.


More conspiracy theories brought forward by the petroleum lobby, through their "conservative" puppet groups who are against conserving anything.

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They never fabricated anything.


Those leaked emails from 2010 tell a different story.


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More conspiracy theories brought forward by the petroleum lobby


You are repeating a handy made-up excuse to dismiss questions and criticism.

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Jebus using leaked emails to justfy his ignorance again. Shock. Awe.


15 Jun 2018, 15:02
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verbalsniper wrote:
They never fabricated anything.


Those leaked emails from 2010 tell a different story.


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More conspiracy theories brought forward by the petroleum lobby


You are repeating a handy made-up excuse to dismiss questions and criticism.


What, from one discredited scientist, Professor Phil Jones? You gotta be kidding me.

Scientists can be rather unworldly, but within their own little world they are highly competitive and capable of considerable nastiness toward their competitors. (Q: Why are scientific politics so nasty? A: Because the stakes are so small.) It is not clear whether Phil Jones was being serious or only mock-serious in his e-mail, but he certainly could have been planning to do exactly what he said. But whatever, Jones was forced to step down as head of the CRU; the hacker (probably a Russian) walked away counting his money.

People who know science and scientists will be disappointed both by the behaviour of Jones and by the glacier incident with IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri, but they will not be surprised. This sort of thing happens from time to time, because we are dealing with human beings. But it does not (as the denial brigade insists) discredit the whole enterprise in which they are engaged.

If this were politics of a party you liked you'd be stumbling all over yourself in protest about how one or two bad apples don't spoil the whole damn bunch.

In other scientific fields you (and everyone else) implicitly accept a statistical confidence level of 95% (which is the established mathematical standard) but with climate science you don't (we've actually surpassed it... we're at 97%)... simply because for you it represents something inconvenient. That's really all it is

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This guy sells a product to help keep permafrost frozen in Alaska to support decades old oil extraction processes, built around a frozen north. Business is now booming as a result of the melting permafrost. Oil companies paying big to re-freeze the ground they're helping thaw out. What's more ridiculous than that? This comment...

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"I'm not debating what's happening," he says. "What are we going to do about it?"


https://www.npr.org/2018/06/11/61724038 ... rost-thaws

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Executives in Australia may be hauled to court in the future if they fail to address risks of climate change, for failing their duty of care according to ASIC (our version of the SEC in the US). https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 4zm7j.html

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The legal advice, which was commissioned by the Centre for Policy Development (CPD) and the Future Business Council, said directors not thinking about climate change risks today could be found liable for breaching their duty of care in the future.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/cap ... last-week/

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No single record, in isolation, can be attributed to global warming. But collectively, these heat records are consistent with the kind of extremes we expect to see increase in a warming world.


http://theprovince.com/pmn/news-pmn/can ... b1a58271f8

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While a single isolated event might be normal, there’s little doubt that the world and Canada are together seeing more extreme weather events — patterns that can be attributed to climate change, Feltmate said.


And again, back to the original post... the need to re-draft the refugee convention and redfine what it means to be a refugee.

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Canadians need to brace themselves for an influx of eco-migrants over the next century, Feltmate warned — people who are fleeing their homelands because they are simply too hot.


Just came across some research from Australia's CSIRO on Antarctica's ice loss as well. 3 trillion tonnes of has been lost on the continent in the past 25 years. Up to 159 billion tonnes a year. Couple that with previous posts highlighting scientists have under-estimated the speed of melting & impacts it has to the continental ice shelf there... yowzers we're fucked. https://blog.csiro.au/antarctica-has-lo ... continent/

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In the first scenario, global greenhouse gas emissions remain unchecked, the climate continues to warm, and little policy action is taken to respond to environmental factors and human activities that affect the Antarctic.

Under this scenario, Antarctica and the Southern Ocean undergo widespread and rapid change, with global consequences. Warming of the ocean and atmosphere result in dramatic loss of major ice shelves. This causes increased loss of ice from the Antarctic ice sheet and acceleration of sea-level rise to rates not seen since the end of the last glacial period more than 10,000 years ago.

Warming, sea-ice retreat and ocean acidification significantly change marine ecosystems. And unrestricted growth in human use of Antarctica degrades the environment and results in the establishment of invasive species.


The second scenario, in this political climate, isn't even worth mentioning or taking seriously.

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As the fools like Trump, Abbott, Ford and others proclaim... "it'll cost too much, think of the economy, what if we're wrong" blah blah blah.

$14 trillion dollars USD, that's what it's going to cost us if we listen to them. $14,000,000,000,000. The cost of action, which by the way I'm not going to post yet again, is dramatically far less than this, exponentially so.

https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes ... y/64863665

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If it saves so much money, how come politicians always push regular people like me to pay more so they can experiment with their environmentally-friendly projects? They always increase taxes or introduce new taxes. It is always a greater expense for me. Every single time.

Instead of trying to convince us that it's financially beneficial, they should show us. Implement a plan where we save money instead of spending more. If you can keep my money in my pocket, I am on board.

Until then, I'll treat climate change politics for what it is - a tax grab.

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If it saves so much money, how come politicians always push regular people like me to pay more so they can experiment with their environmentally-friendly projects? They always increase taxes or introduce new taxes. It is always a greater expense for me. Every single time.

Instead of trying to convince us that it's financially beneficial, they should show us. Implement a plan where we save money instead of spending more. If you can keep my money in my pocket, I am on board.

Until then, I'll treat climate change politics for what it is - a tax grab.


:lol:

How did the current coal-based network get funded? Taxpayer dollars paid for it. Subsidies still help keep it alive too. So don't piss on about the cost, because your extra tax dollars spent on health-related issues alone is already costing you a fortune.

I can't even respond further to this because it's just that stupid.

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If the earth 'goes green' (lol like it can afford it), and if humanity is still kicking around for a new ice age we'll just spend more money again to 'go red' and bring about a new man made global warming. Doesn't take long apparently. Only about a century.


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And where did you hear that?

We're initiating a man-made extinction event. Not a single scientific projection thinks the damage will be reversed in anything less than a century, after we drastically reduce carbon emissions. We haven't even stopped increasing our carbon emissions yet. :stupid:

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All-time heat records have been set all over the world during the past week


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/07/03/hot-planet-all-time-heat-records-have-been-set-all-over-the-world-in-last-week/?noredirect=on

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Can we afford not to go green before it's too late? Of course we can but Big Oil will have none of that hippie talk impacting their bottom line.


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And where did you hear that?

We're initiating a man-made extinction event. Not a single scientific projection thinks the damage will be reversed in anything less than a century, after we drastically reduce carbon emissions. We haven't even stopped increasing our carbon emissions yet. :stupid:


I don't think you got my facetiously hypothetical question/post lol.


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Blackjebus wrote:
If it saves so much money, how come politicians always push regular people like me to pay more so they can experiment with their environmentally-friendly projects? They always increase taxes or introduce new taxes. It is always a greater expense for me. Every single time.

Instead of trying to convince us that it's financially beneficial, they should show us. Implement a plan where we save money instead of spending more. If you can keep my money in my pocket, I am on board.

Until then, I'll treat climate change politics for what it is - a tax grab.


:lol:

How did the current coal-based network get funded? Taxpayer dollars paid for it. Subsidies still help keep it alive too. So don't piss on about the cost, because your extra tax dollars spent on health-related issues alone is already costing you a fortune.

I can't even respond further to this because it's just that stupid.


Yeah, Blackjebus' argument about subsidies is ludicrous since we are already not paying anywhere near true market costs for fossil fuels. You can apply those same subsidies for alternatives, and the only reason they don't is because if intense lobbying and payoffs

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If the earth 'goes green' (lol like it can afford it), and if humanity is still kicking around for a new ice age we'll just spend more money again to 'go red' and bring about a new man made global warming. Doesn't take long apparently. Only about a century.


Sorry man, despite the fact that we are friends, you simply aren't up on your knowledge and lore. The presence of merely one fluoro-carbon factory on the planet is enough to overwhelm the natural tendencies towards an ice age, because they are so slight and gradual, as opposed to warming, which (in comparison) is a lot more aggressive.

In other words, there will never be another ice age as long as humans are around with some type of industry

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Blackjebus wrote:
If it saves so much money, how come politicians always push regular people like me to pay more so they can experiment with their environmentally-friendly projects? They always increase taxes or introduce new taxes. It is always a greater expense for me. Every single time.

Instead of trying to convince us that it's financially beneficial, they should show us. Implement a plan where we save money instead of spending more. If you can keep my money in my pocket, I am on board.

Until then, I'll treat climate change politics for what it is - a tax grab.


:lol:

How did the current coal-based network get funded? Taxpayer dollars paid for it. Subsidies still help keep it alive too. So don't piss on about the cost, because your extra tax dollars spent on health-related issues alone is already costing you a fortune.

I can't even respond further to this because it's just that stupid.


Yeah, Blackjebus' argument about subsidies is ludicrous since we are already not paying anywhere near true market costs for fossil fuels. You can apply those same subsidies for alternatives, and the only reason they don't is because if intense lobbying and payoffs



Then why don't liberal governments pressure the same energy companies to repurpose all of their infrastructure to keep receiving those perks instead of:

1. Blaming regular people for ruining the environment (despite just living their lives with what they are given) and

2. Demanding that regular people pay even higher taxes, which always go towards vague and immeasurable goals?

People are more environmentally-aware than ever (walking, cycling, recycling, constructing energy-efficient buildings, using energy-efficient appliances & bulbs, advocating for more/better public transit, etc.). So why are WE, the citizens, constantly getting picked on and guilt-tripped?

That's why I oppose this enviro-fascist bullshit at every turn. We are already towing their fucking line and paying high taxes. If there is a problem, try fixing it without throwing more "government" and higher taxes at it, and I might support it.

And my question still stands - if "renewable" and "green" energy (which has existed for decades now) is so cost-effective, why do they need Billions and Billions of extra money to give it to us? That alone tells me everything I need to know about the true cost of "green" energy, and it's not cheap.

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