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I can see what the law is trying to accomplish. It's basically saying that any fallout from the commission of a crime, including any death that results from it, is the responsibility of the perpetrator.



Yeah, but it's a legal absurdity.

Legally, they are basically arguing that the cops killing a criminal suspect was a "murder", but somehow the cops - whose actions resulted, intentionally, in death, are not the murderers.

Even if you accept the accomplice principle, the dead guy cannot be considered the victim of his own crime, can he? An intentional homicide of himself, that was not decided or enacted by himself, makes the dead man guilty of murder (and thus all his comrades) ?

This "accomplice" was not even the armed guy who the cops were trying to take down; he caused nothing. All of them being accomplices in burglary, sure. Being accomplices in resisting arrest, it's possible. But a "murder" verdict resulting from a case where the only death resulted from lawful action from the authorities (the police)? Insane.

As the death penalty supporter said: “You can’t be an accessory if there is no principal.”

All this verdict does is discredit the death penalty as a punishment.

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It's an amazingly insane law, isn't it?

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16 Apr 2018, 02:02
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I think it's okay as a law, it's just not being administered fairly in this case.

I read in the posted article that it's applied in all but four states, and is obviously working fine in the overwhelming majority of those places.

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Time for knife control: 8 year old slashes classmates in Minnesota

http://www.fox9.com/news/pleasantview-s ... ife-attack

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note the singular.

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Singular?

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:duh:

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Time for knife control: 8 year old slashes classmates in Minnesota

http://www.fox9.com/news/pleasantview-s ... ife-attack



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Police said the injuries were minor and school staff had the four involved students in the office when police officers arrived.



Is the point of this article to show the difference in severity between how much damage a knife attack and a gun attack can do? (if so, there it is.) Or is the point of it an admonishment that the unarmed teachers and students were thus unable to gun down the 8 year old attacker?

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“Again, I don’t settle cases. I don’t do it because that’s why I don’t get sued very often, because I don’t settle, unlike a lot of other people.”


$25m in the hand of ripped off students after Trump settles.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... fraud-case

Even better, Texas Deputy Attorney General David Morales who, despite the evidence available at the time, denied the consumer protection branch of Texas govt to pursue Trump. As a result, Morales has now been rewarded by Trump with a promotion.

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thelostpatrol wrote:
Time for knife control: 8 year old slashes classmates in Minnesota

http://www.fox9.com/news/pleasantview-s ... ife-attack



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Police said the injuries were minor and school staff had the four involved students in the office when police officers arrived.



Is the point of this article to show the difference in severity between how much damage a knife attack and a gun attack can do? (if so, there it is.) Or is the point of it an admonishment that the unarmed teachers and students were thus unable to gun down the 8 year old attacker?


It was less severe because he was eight.

China and east Asia in general is victim to constant mass knifings that never get press here and their victim counts are often in the dozens. You might remember Kunming which had a death toll of 33 with about 130 more injured. Then in Japan there was this one: http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-a ... s-killings

Of course these are just two examples, but there are many, many more. Pretty much any country where you have a larger population and escalating social and economic pressures has boil-overs like these. It happens in the US, in India, Pakistan, China, Japan, etc. and is more a fact of an increasing pace of modernization than the result of allowing guns, knives or other tools into general public use.

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thelostpatrol wrote:
It was less severe because he was eight.


And how many casualties would it have been if this 8 year old had pulled a gun and shot his classmates instead, and how severe?


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China and east Asia in general is victim to constant mass knifings that never get press here and their victim counts are often in the dozens. You might remember Kunming which had a death toll of 33 with about 130 more injured. Then in Japan there was this one: http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-a ... s-killings

Of course these are just two examples, but there are many, many more. Pretty much any country where you have a larger population and escalating social and economic pressures has boil-overs like these. It happens in the US, in India, Pakistan, China, Japan, etc. and is more a fact of an increasing pace of modernization than the result of allowing guns, knives or other tools into general public use.




The Kunming attack was terrorism, carried out by a team of well-trained jihadists. And if they used knives or swords, its because the Chinese government keeps tight hold on weapons, not because the capacity for damage between melee weapons and firearms is in any way equivalent. If they'd had something better, they would have used it, and killed many more people - on a scale more like the Mumbai attacks. But Kunming has also been the site of terrorist bombings and other sorts of attacks too. What goes on in Xinjiang is warfare, waged by the "East Turkistan Islamic Movement" and also now, Daesh. Not the random product of some garden variety screwball, but a sustained campaign of insurgent violence.

China has 1.4 billion people, and even if we're not counting terrorism/political violence, their death count for street crime alone probably exceeds Canada's monthly deaths from any cause. Boil-overs, social strain, hard to govern? Yup.
But how does China's murder rate compare to that of the United States with its over 330 million? China's was 1.2 per 100000, the United States was 5 per 100000.

So you are still trying to perpetuate this false argument that knife usage is worse. Knives are more common, and virtually unrestricted. Everyone has knives, everywhere. Just like you see crime and insanity everywhere, too. But when it comes creating carnage, does a blade compare to a gun, any gun? Not even close. Even a small gun is a more lethal than any knife. Beyond that fact, it's just a matter of tactics.

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verbalsniper wrote:
thelostpatrol wrote:
It was less severe because he was eight.


And how many casualties would it have been if this 8 year old had pulled a gun and shot his classmates instead, and how severe?


Use your head for fuck's sake.

8 year olds should be allowed to carry guns. It's the only way classmates can protect themselves from the 8 year olds who carry knives.

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verbalsniper wrote:
thelostpatrol wrote:
It was less severe because he was eight.


And how many casualties would it have been if this 8 year old had pulled a gun and shot his classmates instead, and how severe?


Use your head for fuck's sake.

8 year olds should be allowed to carry guns. It's the only way classmates can protect themselves from the 8 year olds who carry knives.


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It's so funny when Trump now openly says he's doing trade wars, I said 2 years ago already the US is doing trade wars even with their allies. Back then even Obama was heavily attacking german industry.


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verbalsniper wrote:
thelostpatrol wrote:
It was less severe because he was eight.


And how many casualties would it have been if this 8 year old had pulled a gun and shot his classmates instead, and how severe?


thelostpatrol wrote:
China and east Asia in general is victim to constant mass knifings that never get press here and their victim counts are often in the dozens. You might remember Kunming which had a death toll of 33 with about 130 more injured. Then in Japan there was this one: http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-a ... s-killings

Of course these are just two examples, but there are many, many more. Pretty much any country where you have a larger population and escalating social and economic pressures has boil-overs like these. It happens in the US, in India, Pakistan, China, Japan, etc. and is more a fact of an increasing pace of modernization than the result of allowing guns, knives or other tools into general public use.




The Kunming attack was terrorism, carried out by a team of well-trained jihadists. And if they used knives or swords, its because the Chinese government keeps tight hold on weapons, not because the capacity for damage between melee weapons and firearms is in any way equivalent. If they'd had something better, they would have used it, and killed many more people - on a scale more like the Mumbai attacks. But Kunming has also been the site of terrorist bombings and other sorts of attacks too. What goes on in Xinjiang is warfare, waged by the "East Turkistan Islamic Movement" and also now, Daesh. Not the random product of some garden variety screwball, but a sustained campaign of insurgent violence.

China has 1.4 billion people, and even if we're not counting terrorism/political violence, their death count for street crime alone probably exceeds Canada's monthly deaths from any cause. Boil-overs, social strain, hard to govern? Yup.
But how does China's murder rate compare to that of the United States with its over 330 million? China's was 1.2 per 100000, the United States was 5 per 100000.

So you are still trying to perpetuate this false argument that knife usage is worse. Knives are more common, and virtually unrestricted. Everyone has knives, everywhere. Just like you see crime and insanity everywhere, too. But when it comes creating carnage, does a blade compare to a gun, any gun? Not even close. Even a small gun is a more lethal than any knife. Beyond that fact, it's just a matter of tactics.


Half the shootings in the US are being called "terrorism" by the anti-gun left. That includes members of this board, like XDX who cries about it almost every time. Many of them weren't terrorism, but many were, including Pulse, San Bernardino, the Dylan Roof shooting, etc. Terrorism or not, a mass murder event is a mass murder event and should be counted. You can't cherry pick to suit your agenda.

So since you're not counting a lot of the violence because of you perceive it to be outside of the scope of relevance, I'll safely discard the rest of your commentary until you fix it.

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It's funny watching you spin your wheels on this one.

I thought terrorism didn't exist, didn't we determine that recently? It's only terrorism if it's politically motivated, isn't that what we decided in the hostage crisis thread?

Children aren't politically motivated, no terrorism. Everyone in Gitmo should be freed now too, their motivation wasn't political either. Well, aside from those who were cleared and determined completely innocent anyway.

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It's funny watching you spin your wheels on this one.

I thought terrorism didn't exist, didn't we determine that recently? It's only terrorism if it's politically motivated, isn't that what we decided in the hostage crisis thread?

Children aren't politically motivated, no terrorism. Everyone in Gitmo should be freed now too, their motivation wasn't political either. Well, aside from those who were cleared and determined completely innocent anyway.


I think you're confused.

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No really, go back to the thread and read. US definition is politically motivated attacks, that's it, right?

But go on, keep arguing that a child with a knife is equivalent to anyone with a gun.

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That's not what was said. Don't be a purposeful idiot.

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It's exactly what you're implying.

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No.

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Go on then, explain.

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